BLU vs RDM

[Jei]

Re: BLU vs RDM

BLU 2 hour will double/triple his spell damage. If he get a hit in without you having stoneskin, you're done. At least that's how BLU 1 shot people in level 75 matches. No silence just ensures he keeps his deadliest weapon (which is not likely to hit you easily anyway)

[Sabaron]

Re: BLU vs RDM

RDM Two-hour allows you to unload two full bars of mana worth of spells in under a minute. If we're talking 2-hr vs. 2-hr, the BLU is done for since RDM can perma-stoneskin, recast Utsusemi in the blink of an eye, and unload hideous amounts of nukage. BLU still has to wait for his recast timers to reset and RDM can cast Silence in rapid succession. I don't think this is a 75 battle, so we won't be seeing any one-shotting, but you can always try feinting and bait him into expending his two-hour or you can just Chainspell flood him at the beginning--that should toast his sesame seeds.

Chainspell
Silence
Sleep
Buff + Refresh
Bind
Nuke, nuke, nuke
Sleep
Convert
Cure IV x 2 or Cure IV + Cure III (whichever is fastest and most efficient for you)
Nuke?, Nuke?
Enspell, Haste
Silence, Paralyze, Blind, Slow, Gravity
Engage
Use the remainder of your mana sparingly, but try to make the best of Chainspell.

If you estimate you can waste him with the remainder of your MP, just dump it on him instead of engaging. It would be unwise of him to try to counter your two-hour with his as you have Silence with zero recast time and 0.5ish second casting time (nearly uninterruptible). His best bet would be to try and ride out the storm or put you to sleep which you should be easily able to avoid by staying out of range and/or keeping him silenced. The best spell vs. BLU for RDM is Silence. That's why it cannot be taken away from you--it is an essential tool for a RDM facing a BLU and that's why they want to strip you of it.

If you must fight without Silence, then you have to use ranged techniques and DoT kiting which is spectacularly boring and precludes melee.

[hongman]

Re: BLU vs RDM

lol @ Sabaron

Yeah, he hasnt got a chance. Im not being big headed or nothing but after the BLU vs BLU fight he had already stated the following:

He thinks BLU 2hr is "crap" and worthless
He admmitted he is completely unorganized and has no macros
Is missing half his BLU spells.

I asked him what his strat against me was, and he said Sound Blaster.

Im not a "good" RDM. I would say I'm mediocre at best, but I think even that is enough to ensure a win.

The 1st thing I would do is land Gravity for short cast time and to be able to get some distance. After that, whether I sub NIN or BLM, there are a plethora of ways for me to take him down. Bottom line is, as long as he is bound and silenced, theres not much he can do.

At EM my Para should pretty much cripple him. +10MND from Gob Mushpot gives me 79MND. I could even chuck in a handful of Aspir's so I know that even if he does become unsilenced using Drops, he wont have MP to cast anything.

I spoke about this to a party and one guy was like "If he gets off the first spell your done for". I dont think thats the case. His first spell would be Sound Blaster. If it landed, 1 quick echo drop and then Gravity would bring me back up to full speed.

And even then, Gravity is a very fast cast, coupled with Fast Cast III...

We are trying to make it an LS event, I believe other people can eneter Brenner without fighting?

[Armando]

Re: BLU vs RDM

With RDM/NIN don't forget that you have other Ninjutsu besides Utsusemi which you can use to cause good damage (better than a NIN/WAR or WAR/NIN) because of your Elemental skill. Tools cost 0mp.

You sure about that? Ninjutsu skill exists for a reason.

[BurningPanther]

Re: BLU vs RDM

You sure about that? Ninjutsu skill exists for a reason.

What he said. It's based off Ninjutsu skill, but has modifiers in INT and M. Atk. Elemental skill doesn't factor in.

[Karinya]

Re: BLU vs RDM

I wouldn't bother with /NIN in the level 55 matchup. You both have shadow wipers and who has time to recast Ichi? Go /BLM and get ES, Drain and Aspir. You also get a shadow wiper that doesn't prevent you from sleeping him, which is nice. If you do /NIN, don't dual wield; use a shield. You might block some of his blue magic, but more importantly, you attack more often giving you more chances to interrupt a spell.

If you're both playing without Silence, then it comes down to an endurance match; run him out of MP and he's done. He will probably have a smaller manapool (definitely if you're /mage and he's not) and spamming attack spells is a huge mana hog (which you can easily stay ahead of by curing yourself and recasting Stoneskin, if you're not interrupted - btw, keep up Aquaveil if you can). Also, you have Refresh and Convert and he doesn't. That means you want to stall him, kite, recast Stoneskin as much as possible and Aspir as much as you can - the longer the fight lasts, the more of an advantage you have. And paralyze. Very annoying and unremovable by a blu/nin, it stops both melee attacks and spells.

Convert helps a lot here, but be sure to ES Sleep/Sleep2 him first. That means no DoTs in the early part of the fight.

If you're *not* playing without Silence, remember that his Silence requires eye contact and yours doesn't. Face away from him. This is probably why he insists on the no silence provision - RDM's is better and everyone knows it. XD


Above all don't melee unless the odds are in your favor - paralyze, slow, stoneskin etc. Dispel Refueling, and if you plan to melee, Cocoon as well. If he tries to dispel you, a couple cheap barspells have a decent chance of soaking up his dispel for a lot less time and MP than it cost him to cast it; aquaveil is also cheap, but will take you some time to recast.

It may be better not to melee at all, but just run him out of MP and then start DoT kiting with occasional nuking. His melee isn't much of a threat to you (especially if he dual wields, which makes it much easier to time a spell between swings) and once he runs out of MP he can't get it back.


Oh, and one more thing: several blue magic spells have both a long casting time, and a short range. If you see him casting one of those, run away. Or cast a long spell of your own - he can't hit and interrupt you while he's casting. (The spell itself can interrupt you if it's physical, but with Fast Cast you will often finish before he does anyway.) You may also be able to stop some long spells with Sleep I - and *then* run away and cast a long spell of your own, or several.

A lot of common BLU tactics are based on the fact that monsters are stupid, and in party play, usually attacking someone else. Those things aren't true of you, and if he hasn't thought about the implications of that, you can really screw up his plans.


As far as gear and food is concerned: defense. Either he wins quickly or he doesn't win, and physical defense greatly reduces the effectiveness and MP efficiency of his physical damage spells (especially combined with Phalanx). You can't do much about Frightful Roar, since it only takes 2 seconds to cast, but you can get your defense as high as you can to make up for it. Make him pay for every point of damage he deals - and then cure it. RDM are the kings of endurance battles.

[Sabaron]

Re: BLU vs RDM

BLM/NIN does more damage with ichis than I see off NIN/WAR. I had thought it was affected by the Elemental Skill but perhaps it's just the MAB? RDM gets that too although not as much.

[hongman]

Re: BLU vs RDM

I'll update tomorrow when we duel, though it all depends on how quickly he lvls. Im going to stay at 55 for a bit now while I lvl my BLM and WHM subs...

He wanted to battle as 55rdm vs 34 BLU (i declined obviously) so we have decided on a fair even lvl battle XD Ill update when this happens.

[Sabaron]

Re: BLU vs RDM

I had to look it up. It is in fact the MAB that does it, but both RDM and BLM have it and it does affect ninjutsu off sub. I have used it on my 30-36 BLM and it's excellent even with gimped Ninjutsu skill in XP party. It's not the elemental skill, it is in fact the Magic Attack Bonus. The effect is substantial even on gimped tools especially if you follow-up with a nuke. Obviously NIN/RDM & NIN/BLM are going to be better, but flipping it works too.

MAB II on a 55RDM is 24%.

Off sub (on NIN), you can get 20% max for RDM or 24% max for BLM.



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[hongman]

Re: BLU vs RDM

Ok now you lost me on the whole Ninjitsu skill thing XD

EDIT:

I just looked up Sound Blaster (which is the spell he was going to use to Silence me) but it just lowers INT. I think he got his spells mixed up XD

[Armando]

Re: BLU vs RDM

Yeah, it's the MAB. MAB affects virtually every form of magic damage save for HP% attacks (Breaths,) and probably Drain. It even affects pure magic WS. Either way Elemental Skill doesn't affect damage potency...

And BLU's Silence is called Chaotic Eye. He has to make eye contact for it to land, by the way.

EDIT: Well, I *think* he has to be making eye contact. At the very least you have to be looking his way; I don't know if it'll work if he's facing away from you while you face him, but I doubt it.

[Vyuru]

Re: BLU vs RDM

I'd go with Karinya's advice, go rdm/blm, and maybe chainspell aspir/drain/stoneskin/blink, keep your hp up with drain and take out his mp with aspir at the same time. He'll be forced to try to heal and deal damage, hopefully he'd get a little flustered and indecisive giving you the edge.

[Sabaron]

Re: BLU vs RDM

The continual Sleeping even through shadows (Sleepga shadow-wipe pwns) will also annoy and confound him. Aspir won't wake him up, so cast it while he's asleep for maximum annoyance.

[hongman]

Re: BLU vs RDM

LOL I love the support RDM gets ^^

Still havent seen him online yet, since he got beat by that lvl 29 BLU.

Oh well, will try and get this done as soon as he is online next. Plus if I go NIN and melee, I have now got my WWA and Ryl Fleuret (think thats what its called), and Fencers Ring for + EnSpell dmg.

[WishMaster3K]

Re: BLU vs RDM

I always Ballista as RDM/WAR, stack enhancing primarily and then MND secondarily.

I usually eat Tav Tacos, throw up Protect, Shell and Defender and I stand there are Ice Spikes, Bio2 and Poison2 kill my opponents.

Nothing can beat RDM, not even WS spamming MNKs and SAMs. Tachi: Gekko is annoying cause of silence, and Guillotine is the same way, but against EMs, if we stack DEF, you'll see many angry DRKs who'll be itching to unload their WS only to have it do 200 damage w/o Stoneskin.

I wouldn't bother with Aquaveil, because if you cap enhancing, you can pretty much cast in between melee swings.

NINs and THFs don't hit us hard enough beyond our Defense, DRKs swing too slow.

DRGs, MNKs and WARs are variables, but to this date, the only time a melee has beaten me was after I owned them 5+ times in a row and I was either running out of MP or in my buff cycle/without buffs when they ran up on me.

Oh, and MNK/DRK is lol.

RDMs are the fortresses of the battle field. RDM/WAR is the fortress with ballistic missiles.

BLU are jokes. All jobs are jokes. Everytime there is a PvP discussion in my LS and I jump into the argument, everyone suddenly becomes busy. The RDM's worst enemy is a stronger and faster RDM, but that's a post for another time.

ProTips:
Wait for a WS before you convert.
DoT is your best friend
EnSpell racks up during the times you're meleeing and not in a need of a buff
BarSilence + Baraero goes a looooong way in survivability.