Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

[Chveya]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

I am guilty of some of that.

In my defense, I find great enjoyment in optimizing my gear and set up. (And, sometimes forget not everyone else would.) I probably spend more time outside of the game trying to figure out what combination of gear/food/support job/play style can work in what situations than I actually play the game. (Hmm. My "defense" is making me look crazy. Oh well.)

If anyone on Ifrit bump into me while I babble on about stuff like "You may want more accuracy gear or switch to sushi" or "I think you may do better with a /DRG at these levels", it's just me acting on the belief that people would enjoy the game more if they do better in the game, and I want to help. >_>;

Sounds like we are a lot alike. I also find great enjoyment in searching out and attempting to acquire the 'best' gear for each of my jobs. I spend hours on sites like somepage or ffxiclopedia comparing gear stats and planning out what I'm going to wear for the next few levels. It feels good to be able to bring a strong character to a party or other event, and to be prepared with different options when the situation changes.

I don't often give out advice unless I am asked for it. First of all, I don't want to come off as a snob (when all I'm really trying to do is share my enjoyment of the game), and secondly, I am aware that I have a lot more to learn in terms of experience in this game and I'm afraid of steering newbs the wrong way.

However, I do know enough to know that there was something wrong about the leather-armor-wearing, sword-wielding, lvl 27 WAR in my jungle party the other day. One look at him and I was too depressed to even consider trying to help him out.

On topic, one of my biggest pet peeves in parties is silence. You know, when you join up in Jeuno and ask "Camp Where?" and get nothing. Or you ask the leader if he/she has a preference for which subjob you should use and get no response. I hate having to repeat questions/suggestions in party chat, it makes me look pushy and bossy. I swear, next time I cannot get important info from a party, I'm disbanding. ><

[Queen Uma]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Mog you little traitor!! I thought you and Murphie were my groupies.

Things you don't want to hear.....

Qufim pt member >> Stop using Shield Break, its useless.

/sigh. As a galka (new char) 22war/mnk tank with a fully skilled GA (and axe :p ) this was depressing to hear. The same person later told me that if I don't sub nin I won't get any pt invites in Kazham. Now I levelled war on my elvaan a long time ago but has everyone forgot war/mnk is possibly the best mandy tank?

[Mog]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Mog you little traitor!! I thought you and Murphie were my groupies.

Mog loves you all! Kupo!

[Raydeus]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

The same person later told me that if I don't sub nin I won't get any pt invites in Kazham. Now I levelled war on my elvaan a long time ago but has everyone forgot war/mnk is possibly the best mandy tank?

Not everyone, just bad players, because only they think WAR should be subbing NIN since lvl 24, when in reality there's no point on subbing NIN till 50 for the second Dual wield and even then it's kinda useless till Rampage (unless you actually pull as a WAR).

And only dumb players would invite a WAR/NIN over a WAR/MNK while xping at the jungle, and you don't wanna party with those anyway.

I don't mind about them, and just let them gimp themselves with their lowbie NIN sub.


PS > Personally I used /MNK and /THF (lvl 30+) while leveling WAR, but soloing was always more enjoyable.

Edit >

Mog loves you all! Kupo!

I wonder how many girls does mog have in his harem. o.O

[Anaki]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

i dont see whats so bad about party leader asking where people want to level :x when you also complained about the party leaders saying "lets go to crowded zone"

[Taskmage]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

i dont see whats so bad about party leader asking where people want to level :x when you also complained about the party leaders saying "lets go to crowded zone"

It's the same thing as inviting you to a party and telling you to look for members, just to a lesser degree. If you're gonna lead a party, lead it. You can find out which zones are overcrowded with /sea, and should have the knowledge of which camps are appropriate for your level and which mobs your party would be best against.

I'm not saying it's wrong to poll your party for preferences or suggestions or even ask for advice, but you should be prepared to answer questions about who to invite or where to camp yourself. When you start a party you're taking some responsibility for the experience (meaning both the points and enjoyment) of the members you recruit. Some people put a party together and just expect it to take off without them and start delivering experience to them, like the other 5 players are just tools or stepping stones on the way to 75.

Party leader is a job just like ninja or white mage. If you decide you want to play a party leader tonight, know your job, do it well, and don't expect your party members to allow you to take shortcuts. It's nobody's responsiblity to stun for you if you can't time ichi, you're not entitled to a ninja tank to get you out of casting cures, and likewise it's nobody's responsiblity to be your crutch and choose your party members or camp for you. If you find someone will do those things for you appreciate them, but always be prepared to do your job without them.

[Omni]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

i dont see whats so bad about party leader asking where people want to level :x when you also complained about the party leaders saying "lets go to crowded zone"

well, you cant win either way really. sad it is.

lame pt leaders will not ever know where to go and never take charge. they'll expect someone to do it for them.

stupid pt leaders will lead a pt into a zone thats already 3 pts too packed.

so instead, why not just get in the saddle and go. if you take lead, i assure you 90% of the time, ppl will follow you cuz they can tell you know what you are doing. dont ask where your pt wants to go and research before you set out somewhere.

here's what you're supposed to do is:

1) use the search function and read/count the number of people your level in the zone. ie: you want to goto bibiki bay, theres 45 ppl there. you see a buncha lv. 65-68s and a buncha lv. 72-73s. you yourself is a lv. 66 rdm. count the sets of 6 players you see in your level range and you'll have a general idea of how crowded your camp is. since lv. 66ish pts dont kill the same mobs a lv. 72 pt would.

2) know where to camp. if you're lv. 57 and you want to kill colibri but theres already 5 pts in thickets (as you used step 1 to figure out) dont go there. check out boyahda, check out cn? (i forget) check out gustav. nowdays, those camps will most likely be empty or close to it.

now this wont always work. theres times where other pts will get there around the same time you do, its ok, just take some time and find another camp. no biggie, dont force xp it. there's usually another camp out there for you.

taru edit: taskmage is stealing the words from my mouth more or less.

[Murphie]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Not only that, but he obviously time traveled to the future to find out what you'd post and then went back to beat you to the punch.^^

He's tricksy, that Taskmage.

[Taskmage]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

That's cool, I didn't think I got Temporal Shift for like 40 more levels. ... Ohhh wait I get it. My future, higher-leveled self must have come back and made that post. Damn, I am tricksy!

[Murphie]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Exactly! You're so tricksy that you even trick yourself.

[DieselBoy09]

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P.S. Learn to time utsusemi, noob. If I can get stoneskin up while getting beat on you can force through a spell that takes half as long to cast. It's not that hard if you keep your head and watch the mob's attacks intead of jamming on your "halp meh" macro.

Alright, I personally have a help macro, but I don't use it. The only time I do is when dual tanking and the other nin is being absent minded and I start getting slaughtered (we're talking down past half and still falling).
As for the timing the macro, maybe you can tell me when? I personally think for some mobs, with slow or not, you can flag one up with timing, but I'm having a very hard time at level 21 getting the timing down. It will usually get to about 90% then I'll get hit and it will get interupted and the closest I can get is that if I can time it so the mob hits on when the timer is around 20%, it has a really good chance of going through, but still about a 35% chance of not finishing. So um is this just something that becomes easier as my ninjutsu skill increases as the levels go up (since most every nin I have pted with in these lower levels usually seems to get interupted frequently)? Or is there a tip you can give, because short of the mob missing, or performing a status/tp move its pretty difficult to squeek one in. (Note: my ninjutsu is around 45 I believe)....So honestly I took alittle offense to that.

[Queen Uma]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

It generally depends on what you're fighting at lower levels to avoid getting interrupted on Ichi. Usually you can take a hit within the first 20-25% of the cast and it will continue, also within the last 10% if memory serves me right. I don't /nin that often as drk or rdm and my thf rarely gets hit on a pull.

Its true that capped ninjitsu will lower your interrupt rate but at level 21 it really doesn't make that much of a difference, more often than not your shadows will run out long before your recast timer hits zero because parties love to over hunt and your evasion will count for squat. Honestly people try pugs at 21, what are they thinking?

Dual tanking is the way to go until 40 unless you convince a party to level on things other than pugs and mandies.

Oh and one thing I heard a while ago. 52rdm lfp whilst I setup a party. Asked him if he could sub whm or blm, he said "no nin sub onry".

[KalemLyco]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

This happened to me once when I joined a party back on Hydra server (the Xbox360 test server)

Leader>> Hey thief you can tank you got Prefect Dodge I read all about it so your tanking.

[Theyaden]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Well the one thing I don't wanna hear in a party more than anything else (annoying macros included) is someone's personal opinion about a particular job throughout a whole merit/exp session. I take advice, pointers, tips as they come and I think they are valid. But I believe some people take this game way to seriously. Some people merit jobs, just to get optimal exp/hr. Some people like to have a holy-than-thou attitude about everything.

Couldn't agree more. As a whitemage I was in a garison run with low level cap a redmage decided to pass time by telling me what a steaming pile the whitemage job is and how much better a redmage is for main healing while meleeing. To add braincells commiting suiside one of his budies that came with him kept punctuating each statement he made with "Pawned". The thing that finally shut him up was saying "no-one wins a job vs job debate I thought darknight vs dragoon" taught us that." After that it was a much more pleasant Garison.

[Pawkeshup]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Semi-off-topic, but this is for Neropolis:

Look, you can enjoy the game AND not gimp out EXP. My biggest pet peeve is the people that come on to play the game, and are watching TV during EXP parties. It's fine so long as they are doing their job, but most don't. They miss buffs, debuffs, cures and status ailments.

Your attitude toward players like myself is just as bad as the "elitist" you complain about. I don't have the time to waste getting "less than optimal" EXP. (To me, optimal EXP is more than 1k/hour, which should be possible by even the raunchiest of setups.) If you want to watch House, or Heroes, either log and watch, or TiVo it and play.

When you are wearing armor inappropriate for the party, going AFK whenever you please or not focused on the party, you are affecting 5 other people's enjoyment of the game. So don't be shocked if some people get offended by that and kick you.

Now back onto topic:

Anyone: "OMG I have to log, dinner" (said 5 minutes into party)

Did you miss that lesson in kindergarten, when they taught you how to tell the time??

Anyone: "gotta go" (logs out and 5 minutes later logs in and gets another party)

Ok, either you're an idiot or you didn't like the party. Hey, do what I do, say "This isn't working, I'm disbanding."

Mage after leveling: "Anyone got gil for spells?"

No, this is not a joke. Leveling in the dunes, WHM dings, and says that. I wanted to just strangle them. I /blist random beggars in towns, like hell do I want one in party with me.

Puller, on first pull: "We can take that IT++ no problem, I did this before"

First, no IT++ outside worms and maybe spiders present "no problem" to a party. I've trio'd IT++ worms with two WHMs and me on PLD. doable but extremely tough. And when "exactly" did the puller do it before? On what mobs? With this party setup? Let's start with that VT over there first, then we'll talk about that IT...

And finally, the best...

Anyone: "This is just my sub"

I... don't... care. Coming to the party wearing level 1 RSE or fishing gear, using only rings meant for other jobs (melee rings/earrings for a whm), not using any abilities and wielding a weapon 15 levels lower than you is not excused because you're too cheap to buy gear. Your high level job ain't here, it's not the one we invited. Play this one.