Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

[Eohmer]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

pld, sam, drg, smn, whm, blu (me)

[JennifARGH]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

When you're building a PT, I'm not joining to babysit you, I'm joining to EXP... etc.

Then let's grow a Vana'diel full of crappy players, who wonder why they're not getting the most out of the game they're playing $15+US to play each month. Who wonder why the best players of their jobs are ignoring their desire to learn and to be as good as them. Everyone, turn off your Mentor flags. Love is over. /emo

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Everyone, turn off your Mentor flags.

Not that the Mentor flag means anything. If I want trustworthy advice, I'm not going to turn to some random player I've never met before.

The act of Mentoring is far too complicated to be accomplished during an exp pt anyway. Mentor players in your LS. It's better if the advice is coming from someone the newbies trust, anyway. In a party, it's too easy to get conflicting info. 5 different people can easily have 5 different opinions. And if all 5 are complete strangers, which advice do you listen to?

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Not that the Mentor flag means anything. If I want trustworthy advice, I'm not going to turn to some random player I've never met before.

The act of Mentoring is far too complicated to be accomplished during an exp pt anyway. Mentor players in your LS. It's better if the advice is coming from someone the newbies trust, anyway. In a party, it's too easy to get conflicting info. 5 different people can easily have 5 different opinions. And if all 5 are complete strangers, which advice do you listen to?

Exactly.

If you're gonna look me up specifically for advice on the server, hey, I'm happy to help you so long as we both aren't in EXP/merit. If I know you, I'm even willing to do it on the fly while I'm pulling in EXP/merit. But if I don't know you in EXP, how do I know you'll really take that advice seriously or even absorb half of it? I gotta pull and buff as it is, its kinda busy.

People come to forums with things they "heard" about a job from their frends such as "Can I level X Job without Y Subjob?" and not all of them come for a constructive discussion, but for justification to what their friend told them. Once they get that justifaction, any other advice to them is null. They got the out they were looking for, for better or worse.

Had this RNG in my LS. Osode, E Bow, lots of good endgame shit. You'd think with all that he'd actually know something about the job.

Apparently not.

At 75 he thinks Accuracy Bonus is only +2 Ranged Accuracy per trait... I wish I was kidding. Spider-Dan could have a statistical field day with this guy.

After that, I pretty much took everything else he had to say as jibberish. There's a reason RNGs can do STR/Attack build at 70+ and if we were getting such paltry returns on our Accuracy bonuses, we wouldn't be doing those builds. But I have a friend that actually listens to that shit and plays it like he does, even with three experienced RNGs in the LS telling them otherwise.

Some, but not all, will value what friends or aquaintences say over the random guy. Just the way it is.

[Ghostraven]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

(nubpuller) Hay Clipper! I'mma pop a capin ur azz! <cymbal-crash>
*not in range*
(nubpuller) Hay Clipper! I'mma pop a capin ur azz! <cymbal-crash>
*interrupted by running*
(nubpuller) Hay Clipper! I'mma pop a capin ur azz! <cymbal-crash>
(nubpuller) Hay Clipper! I'mma pop a capin ur azz! <cymbal-crash>
(nubpuller) Hay Clipper! I'mma pop a capin ur azz! <cymbal-crash>
(nubpuller) Hay Clipper! I'mma pop a capin ur azz! <cymbal-crash>

haha classic

[Necropolis]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

Well the one thing I don't wanna hear in a party more than anything else (annoying macros included) is someone's personal opinion about a particular job throughout a whole merit/exp session. I take advice, pointers, tips as they come and I think they are valid. But I believe some people take this game way to seriously. Some people merit jobs, just to get optimal exp/hr. Some people like to have a holy-than-thou attitude about everything.

I play to enjoy, at all times, be it in Dynamis, Merit, God, Salvage or any other in game activity. Why, because it just that, in-GAME.

A definition of game from wiki:

A game is a structured or semi-structured activity, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes also used as educational tools. ( Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interactivity. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and sometimes both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational or psychological role.

I've had bad parties with people that don't have good gear, or don't play an optimal way, But I still enjoyed them for the casual environment they gave. I've had 30k/he LS merit parties that got what I wanted to accomplish fast. I've had casual 20k/hr merit parties where we were in an alliance with a 60ish smn leeching exp and the blm nuking Colibri. I thought the party would suck with 8 people and one standing there doing nothing but leeching his smn to 75, but we made great exp, was a casual environment, and was overall enjoyable.

I hate getting into a party and the member say, "oh, you have that gear? Well I've leveled that job, you really need an acc build for this, and a str build for that, and evasion build for this." If I wanted that much effort into a game, I would just live in the real world and wrestle bears and tigers for my excitement. You might say be content being a sub-par or less than you could be player. I relieze I am not the greatest whm, not probably ever be, but I think me and my LS do quiet well for limited numbers. We do sky, gods, still working on land kings, and pretty much do what ever we have a feeling like doing. My Dynamis group clears zones all the time, unless we just plan to farm from the start.

Over all it just bothers me that some people feel that they are too good to settle for anything but the best when it comes to thier pick-up parties. Some seem to think we should research for hours and hours making sure we know optimal party setups, and gear combinations to be out best. I look at exp/merit as the time I don't really have to pay attention. I cure, haste, enfeeble if needed, and watch TV on the side. It is very rare we have deaths (except when the blm uses AM on a Colibri and doesn't have shadows up) , yet we still pull the unlimited chains with all of us semi-afk.

It's a game, don't like it? Then don't play. No one will miss one less conceited player that thinks they are what everyone should strive to be like. I play to enjoy and make the same exp/hr that they do. Not hard, in any setup, Tp burn, traditional, smn, manaburn, hell I've even had a whm manaburn party that did okay.

[DakAttack]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

I enjoy how Cobion believes spelling correctly is just as elitist as wearing all the best gear. Somebody buy that man a dictionary.

My favorite was, "We need a puller, does the Dragoon have a ranged weapon?"

[Murphie]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

I can't believe that DRG is using Raiden Thrust. :/

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

I hate getting into a party and the member say, "oh, you have that gear? Well I've leveled that job, you really need an acc build for this, and a str build for that, and evasion build for this."

I am guilty of some of that.

In my defense, I find great enjoyment in optimizing my gear and set up. (And, sometimes forget not everyone else would.) I probably spend more time outside of the game trying to figure out what combination of gear/food/support job/play style can work in what situations than I actually play the game. (Hmm. My "defense" is making me look crazy. Oh well.)

If anyone on Ifrit bump into me while I babble on about stuff like "You may want more accuracy gear or switch to sushi" or "I think you may do better with a /DRG at these levels", it's just me acting on the belief that people would enjoy the game more if they do better in the game, and I want to help. >_>;

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(I forgot if PL's have been covered or not...)

Lv.40+ party, Leader: "PT? We have PL."
Me: "PL? For a level 40+ party?"
Leader: "You don't know PL? You must be new."
Me: (Did he even understand... Nevermind.)


Seeking in Valkrum Dunes, RDM or WHM: "I'll join if you get a PL."
... Why do you even exist?!


Just invited in,
Random member: "Can we get a PL?"
One minute later,
Random member: "Anyone's LS has high level players to PL us?"
One more minute later,
Random member: "Come on! Someone must be able to get a PL!"
Someone, kick him in the shin for me, and tape his virtual mouth shut. >_< Please.


I-know-how-the-PL-likes-it member: "Just don't voke! Else, the PL can't tank!"
ARRRRGGGGGGG!!!!


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PL'ed a friend's party two nights ago in Garlaige Citadel. I made the WAR/NIN voke when the NIN/WAR's Utsusemi was down. >_>

[Visper]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

PL'ed a friend's party two nights ago in Garlaige Citadel. I made the WAR/NIN voke when the NIN/WAR's Utsusemi was down. >_>

That's the way everyone should PL. At least have them do their jobs, your only there for "just in case" thats the way I look at it.

[Darkages]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

oooo i got a good one

Mewhmlevel 42)
Randonannoyingstupidwarriorwarrior 41)
invite to party with tells and such
get into the party everything is going good
and then the warrior has to say something

Warrior:Y arnt u spamming haste on me
Me:bc your just there for provoke and a little backup tanking
warrior:well i still need haste
Me:i rather cast it on the DD than you helps them out more
Warrior:well idc cast haste on me
Mek
Darkages starts to cast Banishga 2
opps wrong marco
Darkages starts to cast warp
hummm i wounder what ever happend to that guy

Ooo i forgot to add how he started to say i was doing my job wrong when i asked what level his whitemage is he said 5.....and he said well i have this other charater which is level 75 whm...i said sure show me...it got really silent after that

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

oooo i got a good one

Mewhmlevel 42)
Randonannoyingstupidwarriorwarrior 41)
invite to party with tells and such
get into the party everything is going good
and then the warrior has to say something

Warrior:Y arnt u spamming haste on me
Me:bc your just there for provoke and a little backup tanking
warrior:well i still need haste
Me:i rather cast it on the DD than you helps them out more

I hope you were just being snarky because of the way he asked for Haste. You don't honestly believe that WAR isn't a DD, but simply a backup tank, do you?

[Necropolis]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

oooo i got a good one

Mewhmlevel 42)
Randonannoyingstupidwarriorwarrior 41)
invite to party with tells and such
get into the party everything is going good
and then the warrior has to say something

Warrior:Y arnt u spamming haste on me
Me:bc your just there for provoke and a little backup tanking
warrior:well i still need haste
Me:i rather cast it on the DD than you helps them out more
Warrior:well idc cast haste on me
Mek

There are times that I find hasting a warrior can be problematic for hate control, usually in later levels, along with monks, but I usally go a cycle or two and see how it goes. Generally I start with ninjas, slower TP builders (if we are doing skillchains), then warriors and monks. Suppose it can take some time keeping four people hasted shortly after getting the spell, just keeping an eye on MP consumption and if the tank is having a hard time controlling hate, but I figure the faster they kill the fast exp starts to roll in. My opinion, take it as you like.

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To IfritnoItazura

Nah, I've recieved you advice before, and you never seem concieted or pushy about your advice. You offer it up and if it's taken all the better if not, you just continue along. Was just tired and cranky last night when I post after playing a few hours and reading some peoples opinions on forums.

[Eohmer]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

oooo i got a good one

Mewhmlevel 42)
Randonannoyingstupidwarriorwarrior 41)
invite to party with tells and such
get into the party everything is going good
and then the warrior has to say something

Warrior:Y arnt u spamming haste on me
Me:bc your just there for provoke and a little backup tanking
warrior:well i still need haste
Me:i rather cast it on the DD than you helps them out more
Warrior:well idc cast haste on me
Mek
Darkages starts to cast Banishga 2
opps wrong marco
Darkages starts to cast warp
hummm i wounder what ever happend to that guy

Ooo i forgot to add how he started to say i was doing my job wrong when i asked what level his whitemage is he said 5.....and he said well i have this other charater which is level 75 whm...i said sure show me...it got really silent after that

So because one guy asked for Haste, even if it wasn't in the most polite way, you Warped and ditched the party? Good job, dude!

By the way, you know you can disable smilies when you make a post, right?

[eticket109]

Re: Things you don't want to hear when you're invited to a PT.

I had to fight real hard to not be an elitist asshole the last couple of nights. I honestly couldn't think of a proper way to tell the 17 DRG that he should be wearing something better then leather gear and using a lvl 7 spear. I did casually tell the thief that he shouldn't be pulling pugs in a leather vest. I did manage to pull off telling the 22 pld that I was a better tank for the party at 20 since my gear was overall about 10 levels higher. >.>

I did make quite a few snide comments about our 'japanese' red mage who had about 1 mil worth of gear at 23.... and no subjob.

To add something to the don't want to hear list:

<WHM> sorry am drunken