should we be paying for raises??

[Sasaki]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I came off as kind of harshly in my post and wanted to defend a point of mine.

When I claimed that "I've also refused teleportation because someone has refused to pay", I should mention that this only happened once. The "customer" in question had been spamming Lower Jeuno with a Tele-Altep request once every 10-15 seconds for over two minutes. It started at 2k for 3 party members and grew to 7k in no time. I was actually crafting at the time, but he was annoying me, so I offered to do it.

I was invited to his party, ran to him, and /waved at him, then five seconds later got a /tell from the guy saying "go". I told him that if he is going to shout a price, he should pay that price upfront to assure the teleporter that they are not getting ripped off. A minute passed before he sent me another "go" tell, then a /fume motion. I left the party.

He was instantly /shouting again, paying 8k, then two seconds later 10k. I /shouted that he has refused payment and acted rudely, to warn other White Mages in the zone that saw his tasty prices.

I didn't port him simply to (hopefully) teach him a lesson about courtesy. If you say you'll do something for a service, don't leave the servicer feeling like you're scamming them.

[Aksannyi]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I was actually shafted on the other end of the deal by a WHM who agreed to teleport my party. It was a Vahzl and we wanted to get there quickly, so I offered 10k for someone to tele my party. Well the guy sent me a /tell and I invited him, and he came over to me and I traded him the money.

Then he zoned. Without teleporting us. My friends actually started harassing him to give me back the money, but I simply called a GM, because I wanted to make sure the dick wasn't going to do it again.

I did get my money back before the GM got to me, thanks to my friends, but I still told the GM about the guy and that even though we got it resolved, I wanted to make sure he didn't rip anyone else off.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Hmm. The more people complain about tele prices, the more I'm inclined to agree charging for Raise is OK.

I don't think I'll ever come to the point of accepting gil for raising people myself, but if the tele prices drop back to 500 gil on Ifrit, all bets are off...

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Hmm. The more people complain about tele prices, the more I'm inclined to agree charging for Raise is OK.

To play devil's advocate, what if I were off farming in some zone as a WAR/THF or WAR/NIN. And I happen upon someone getting beat up by one or more mobs to the point where his death is assured if he gets no outside help.

Should I ask for some gil-based compensation before I engage any of the mobs? Surely, if I could save him from a death, I would be doing a greater service for this player than if I was able to Raise him after his death. Jumping in and keeping him from dying would prevent any exp loss, and it would save that player the time of having to wait for raise weakness to wear off.

Even though I am not using any MP, I would still be providing a "service" on par with casting Raise. If it's acceptable to charge for Raise, isn't it also acceptable to charge for other "help"? Just because I'm not casting a spell doesn't mean I'm not having to use my time to serve someone else.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

To play devil's advocate, what if I were off farming in some zone as a WAR/THF or WAR/NIN. And I happen upon someone getting beat up by one or more mobs to the point where his death is assured if he gets no outside help.

Should I ask for some gil-based compensation before I engage any of the mobs?

Hmm. I would argue it's within your right to ask for gil, but I'd also consider you a slime for doing it?

(BTW, I wasn't entirely serious about linking tele prices to charging for raise.)


While I personally never accepted payment for raise, always happy to voke monsters chasing low level players, and toss Protect's and Shell's to anyone solo'ing for exp I come across--I don't think I have the right to demand other people to do the same.

One time, this dude nearly chewed my ears off for asking market price for my tele-taxi, and pompously declared that he never paid more than 500 gil or charge more than that himself for any teleport. He even stated that I was someone worse than RMT... Needless to say, I was very annoyed.

However, if I am to call him an ass for imposing his standard for WHM services on me, I would be a bigger ass myself if I were to impose my own standards on others.

There's no game ending crisis for going to Home Point. Raise is a service, which by tradition is largely free--but everyone should be able to choose to charge for it or not when it's not his party/alliance/other people he has obligations to.

Most WHM wouldn't charge for it anyway--there's something very satisfying to a healer to perform the ultimate act of curing--to bring a life back. It's a heady sensation of power, and compensation enough in itself.

[hongman]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Heres one for you

I was in Yhunter Jungle. lvling NIN. After the party disbanded I (changed jobs) was helping my friend kill Lizzys there for something, a quest I think for a Tele-scroll.

We happened across an entire party wipe.

We had to clear the tunnel of immediate gobs, and raised 6 members, hung around until the weakness had worn and healed to full, inc buffs.

The most we got?

Nothing. Not a single thanks. Not even a wave goodbye.

Not that we do it for thanks, I do it knowing Id hope someone did the same if it were me. But to show no gratitude? Thats just obsenely rude.

[Takira]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

As a 61 whm, knowing that some farming areas are overswamped with people farming the same things. Teleporting people is a whm's form of farming. Both things bring you gil in the end. Teleporting is safe way for whm's to earn gil for spells and eq. When I needed to buy Erase (yes I know its a BCNM drop but couldn't find folks to do a run) it cost 500K. I earned the money to buy the scroll by doing the tele-taxi thing. I lost time for experience parties but was better for parties after getting the spell.

I will teleport people for free, there are many folks who just don't have the gil to spend on teleports and are trying to get to a party.

As for raises, I won't charge for those, its a honor thing, like some folks said its my way of giving back to the community at large. If I see a person dead, I will send a tell asking if they need a raise (using auto-translate), wait a few minutes for a response, if no response I move on. Some folks will have someone on the way others will answer yes please. If they don't respond they are probably afk and waiting on someone to come.

Just my thoughts on this.

Takira