should we be paying for raises??

[Icemage]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

If they say no when I ask or just ignor me I just grab a choco and go tehre my self. It would be nice to get tehre faster but sometimes actually going there is faster then waiting for a tele.

And that's exactly as it should be.

To put the whole WHM/Teleport issue into perspective:
Would you ask the bus drivers in your city to take you someplace for free? After all, they're already headed there anyway, and it doesn't cost them any more to take you along as well.


Icemage

[Lucky and Elizabeth]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

And that's exactly as it should be.


Would you ask the bus drivers in your city to take you someplace for free?

Well, maybe. J/K. But I do love Ozone days when teh fare is reduced

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Some WHM do charge for teles but some don't. Just like some want to be paid for otehr stuff and some don't. If you offer money most won't turn the payment down even if they aren't chargeing

[Yeargdribble]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Just for clarity sake, I think it's absolutely acceptable to ask for compensation when doing any out of the way raises, especially when it requires dismounting a chocobo.

I've seen a few people suggest that teleports should be free, though I didn't think the mentality was widespread. I definitely feel that teleporting is an optional service when done outside of a PT situations. I think it's a public service worthy of payment rather than a civic duty.

Don't want people getting the wrong impression that I'm for paid raises and against paid teleports lol

[Murphie]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I totally see what you're getting at Yeargdribble. It is kind of odd how one spell is almost universally understood to be a for-pay service, whereas the other isn't. I'm not saying one way is wrong or right, but just that it's kind of funny.

[Vyuru]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

So why don't people complain about having to pay for a teleport? The argument with raising is that if you are right there, why not? However, couldn't you say the same about some WHM sitting in a city? If they are just chilling there with /BLM and their HP is set there... why shouldn't they just do it for free...

...as a courtesy?

Well, I will never ask a whm or rdm for a raise unless I know that they are close by, very close by in fact. So they are not really going out of their way to help me or my fallen party members. In the case of a party wipe, I'll just ask them to raise our whm or rdm so that s/he can raise the rest of us.

Teleports though, you are asking the whm to go out of their way for you, more so than if they were 30 feet away from your cold dead corpse face first in some bat gauno in some tunnel. You could argue that it is the same interruption of whatever they were doing, but I think being interrupted while crafting/shopping/whatever in town for a teleport is more disruptive than raising someone close to you in the field.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

So why don't people complain about having to pay for a teleport?

Pretty much every other form of transportation in this game not involving the use of auto-run costs gil. Chocobos cost gil. Airships cost gil. Outpost Teleports cost gil. It seems fair for player cast Teleports to have a cost attached to them.

[Omniblast]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I won't take gil, but I will accept donations in the form of Goblin Mail, Goblin Helm, Goblin mask, Fire crystals, and lightning crystals.

[DR2D2]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Lyon--U forgot about the only free form of teleportation in the game---"the good old death warp"(only costs exp points), and don't forget about instant scrolls(no gill just conq. points).

[Katsy]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Raising is a courtesy.
Teleportation is a service.

I never charge to raise people and I don't think people should have to pay for that at all regardless. It's always been a nice honorary system whether someone is available to help them when the instance happens. As for tele-out anywhere, I am usually pretty good about it and I don't charge much, if at all. Sometimes, I just give FREE tele all day granted if I'm not leveling or crafting, and always free for friends and ls mates. Heh.

[Murphie]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

Raises could certainly be seen as a service as well, of course. It's all a matter of player perception. Both require that a mage cast a spell for you that you can't cast yourself (outside of an exp situation, since if you are getting exp together, the spells are free). Both save you a considerable amount of time for just a few MP on the mage's end. So really, they aren't that different.

[Yelsew]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I had a White Mage in my party while doing ZM5 through Ifrit's Cauldron who said that she would not R3 anyone under 70 without payment. I thought that was pretty shitty, considering that most of the party members (myself included) were 65-70 and could have benefitted from an R3 the same as someone who was 70+. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but R3 does save more xp for people over 50 than does R2, and what makes a 70+'s time invested in experience more important than mine? I know it's more of a loss at 70+, but I still thought that was a really rude thing to say when the rest of us were all in it for the same thing ... getting the mission done.

Anyway, that seemed like an overly stingy way to be with your MP, especially with (hello, me) a Red Mage right there to refresh you and help you regain it faster.

That's someone I've taken note not to party with again.

Should have shoved foot in mouth of that WHM and said, Refresh spell costs 2k gil sorry price inflation considering what I need to pay for a R3. The WHM's views on R3 for a price might quickly change. If not Boot+Replace. :D That may or may not have solved that problem. (I'm a little bit of an ass to people that view the game like that. )

[Nakti]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

For me, the difference between a Teleport and a Raise is emotional.

Some players (most?) get used to dying, but I never have (except in Besieged).

That "game-over" music makes me feel bad every time. I've "failed". Death is worse in FFXI than it is in a console game because not only haven't I gained XPs, I've *lost* them along with any food or buffs I had going (exception is XP ring buff). My character is helpless. Unless I'm in a PT or someone's on my LS, I can't contact a single soul. If I'm lucky, I can send a /tell to someone I think might be online at the moment.

Every time I see a dead body, that same sensation goes through me. "That player is probably feeling really bad now."

That's why, if I can afford the time, I stop and Raise - for free.

Teleports are a whole 'nother ball of wax. The character is alive and well and has options for travel. If the player wants to inconvenience another human being for the sake of saving *themselves* some time, I think it's fair for the Teleporter to ask for recompense.

[Shinhiryu_Kage]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I think it helps to raise your own fame and ego in server if you are a WHM that helps out.

I know when I had my mithra, I built up a nice little ego by helping consistently on missions, quests, and standing idle in zones while crafting/skilling up, and answering Raise calls. It certainly built great karma for me.

So, if you pose the question, should WHM's charge for Raising, I would say..... sure, if you want to have bad vibes and zero friends. lol

[Sasaki]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I think this would be a different story if it was normal for WHMs to stand around in the Dunes shouting "{Raise} {Do you need it?} {Reward:} 1000g {/tell} <me>" all day.

But that's not normal. What is normal is shouting a teletaxi service. Simply put, if we've paid for Raise all along, we wouldn't even think twice about it.

Some people charge for Raise. IMO, that's like kicking someone while they're down. I'll never charge for resurrecting you, it feels unbecoming of a WHM.

Most people charge for teleports. We just do. You're right, they are just sitting around a town, selling off their infinitely replinishable MP, but what would we be doing if we weren't offering our services? We'd be farming. We are not only making ourselves money, but we're offering a relatively inexpensive mode of transportation.

Yes, I charge for Teleports. I charge what you're willing to pay. I have refused payment if you have little to give, or heck, if you Refresh me. But I've also refused teleportation because someone has refused to pay. My job is to cure your butt when something whacks you around in Altepa. My job is NOT to haul said butt to said Altepa. That is me being nice to you, and offering an inexpensive alternative to airshipping to Bastok and running there.

Don't like it? Hoof it.

But if I'm running around and I see your dead body, you better believe you can have the best Raise I have, and it wouldn't cost you a cent. You already paid in your XP, and I'm probably out doing something else for money anyway.

[Alshandra]

Re: should we be paying for raises??

I agree with what most people have said so far, and being a 69WHM, and a very poor one at that (poor gilwise, not skillwise hehe) I won't say no to teleport donations, but if someone does not trade me gil, I wont refuse a teleport. Sometimes people are just poor too, like I have been on numerous occasions, so I feel its good karma to help out. I would want someone to help me if i was in need. And with raises, if im on foot and i see a dead body, ill raise. if im on chocobo, and in a hurry to get somewhere or its a very long way to my destination, i wont stop. If im not in a hurry or im going to dismount in the zone anyway, ill stop and raise. Donations are also welcome, but not required. Come to think of it, i dont think i have ever actually asked anyone for money for a tele or raise. I feel its part of being a white mage really, but everyone has different opinions. If its way, way out of my way or a really huge inconvenience, i wont ask for gil, i would just explain that im sorry i cant help them at the moment.