What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

[Sabaron]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

I really like the Dancer idea by Sabaron, except too many jobs use swords and daggers. I was thinking Dancer could use Polearm, not the big delay high dmg lances like DRG, but halbreds(sp?) and spears. I dont like how every weapon can be an ideal weapon for 2 or more jobs except polearm. It just isnt used enough, and cant you see a dancer twirling around with a huge polearm? I think itd be friggin' awesome!

I suppose the weapon could be changed--I was trying to stick with "themes" SE had put up for the dancer--they use primarily daggers, but they had a sword dance, so I figured Sword... I don't know if Spear would be that weapon though. First, a spear is...well powerful and unusual. Most of the "common" weapons are used by virtually everyone (sword/dagger/club), the rest have a few advocates... If I was picking a weapon that was not sword/dagger for the dancer it would be:

A+ Staff
A+ Club

The staff recently lost its spot in PLD's arsenal due to shield upgrades and the rest of the people who actually use them...well...they never actually get them out. As for club...only a few of these ever get used like DST Hammer +1 and that by WHM. Unfortunately, most of the clubs have pretty horrible Damage/Delay. "Sword Dance" really doesn't seem...appropriate for a staff or club. I'm not particularly enthusiastic about club, but I could see taking away Dagger or Sword and replacing it with staff or club.

[Illuen]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

To weigh in on the Dancer weapon debate, how about Katana? NIN is the only job currently using them, and they'd fit in with the assassin vibe that you get from Dancers. It also would work for Sword Dance.

[Sabaron]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

To weigh in on the Dancer weapon debate, how about Katana? NIN is the only job currently using them, and they'd fit in with the assassin vibe that you get from Dancers. It also would work for Sword Dance.

That works for me--Katanas are low enough on the weapon totem pole that they don't have the big output of a spear, they work for Sword Dance, and every culture has dances, so it can still fit in without shattering the motif. Maybe Dancer could have some really cool Kabuki masks and costumes that work similarly to bard instruments... Hmm...

[Armando]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

To weigh in on the Dancer weapon debate, how about Katana? NIN is the only job currently using them, and they'd fit in with the assassin vibe that you get from Dancers. It also would work for Sword Dance.

I'm thanking you, if anything, simply because Celia and Lede were badass. I hated them, but they were still bad-ass. Katana-wielding Dancers, brilliant.

[Lmnop]

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If new tank job=true, then it will have to accomplish it a unique way. We have self-curing meat tanks and we have high evasion blink tanks. S-E's not gonna implement a new job that essentially does the same thing as Ninjar.

And yeah, too many jobs with swords now that Cor and Blu have high sword skills. That puts us at 4ish jobs with B rank swords and 2 with As. Meanwhile, there's one job with B rank polearm and one with A rank Polearm. Ditto Scythe. Great sword has 1 A rank and 2 B ranks, so it's not too far behind. Still overused to the point that we can't expect a new job to fill it's shoes. Katana would be interesting indeed...

Of course, we now have 18 jobs and 18 spots in an alliance, so we won't be getting any new ones. But not to bash:

I like the idea of GEO having some emphasis on tanking via locking an opponent down.

[Ziero]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

The thing with so many jobs using swords is the simple fact that there are a LOT of different swords and sword subclasses. A Saber style sword isn't the same as a Bastard Sword, and a short sword is much different then a Degan. Right now the jobs with B class swords are War, who specialize in axes and only use specific swords, Drk, who use Scythe and Gswords mainly and Rdm, who use Degens which are low dmg low delay. Pld and Blu are the only ones with A rank swords and again, they focus on two completely different types. A Pld's best swords are Bastard and Broadswords and a Blu's are Cutlass and Scimitar types. Plus the sword *is* a highly common medevil weapon.

As for the dancer class, I like the concept, the whole longer you dance the stronger the effect thing and all, but I don't like it as a tank. High evasion is nice, but that wouldn't keep a tank alive. Without Utsu nins wouldn't be as great a tank as they are. Status effects, spells and special attacks, which are currently absorbed by Utsu, would eat them alive. If they were enfeeble/DDs like nins were intended to be it would work a lot better and keep them in their more traditional roll. And Daggers, shortswords and katana would be great weapons for Dancer IMO. Also, Polearm = No thnx. Last thing I wanna see is a galka doing a pole dance. O.<

Also, just for the hell of it, gonna repost my Geomancer and Chemist ideas.

Geomancer

Something I always thought would make a great tank is a job people have been wanting for a long time. That being Geomancer. It would use the powers of the six circular elements (with light and dark being special) in a defensive fashion based on the zones they are in. They would also gain abilities and items to increase the effectiveness or outright change the elemental attributes of the elements that affect them.

Geomancer
Job Traits:
lvl 10 - Gaia Wall: Random defensive elemental buff
Basically this will be the back bone of their tanking ability, the way they mitigate Dmg. What this does is, based on the two natual elements found in the zone, will create a random one time defensive buff. For example if you're in an area with fire and earth ele this trait has a chance to either create a random Stoneskin effect or a random Blaze spikes effect. The effects can not stack so you can't have a stoneskin/blaze spikes effect in one hit, but they can stack with external buffs like titan's stoneskinga. Also each affect would have a different natual proc rate, so you'll see some effects more then others.

The elemental effects would be:
Fire = Blaze spike like effect with high Dmg and High proc rate. Dmg increased by Str
Earth = A Stoneskin like effect that nullifies a set amount of Dmg with a low proc rate. Dmg absorbed increased by skill/Vit
Wind = Blink like effect that can absorb single hits and magics as well, with a low proc rate. Proc rate increased by Agi
Water = Percentage Dmg and interrupt reduction with high proc rate. Dmg/Interrupt percent based on Mnd
Lightning = Chance to temporarily stun an enemy, has a medium proc rate. Stun effect increased by Dex
Ice = Dmg reflection ability that will return a percent dmg back to the mob, works on some spells. Has a medium proc rate and is enhanced by Int.
*Light = A strong auto regen/refresh (20hp/2mp per tick) that stacks with other Regen/Refresh spells and effects. Would increase by 10 hp/1 mp per increase of 'Elemental' lvl through gear and JTs and would be given a +2 increase in regen under light weather effects.
*Dark = A 'bio-spike' like ability that would deal a small amount of dark ele dmg when hit while inflicting a dark ele DoT and att down. Unlike the real Bio spell though, this would stack with Dia.

lvl 15 - Elemental Resistance Bonus: Increases elemental resistance
Kinda like perma Bar-spells

lvl 20/60 - Max HP boost:

lvl 30/50/70 - Elemental II/III/IV: Increases all elemental enhancements and skills
This would increase both the proc rate and effect of all Gaia wall effects, ele resistance and any offensive JA effects a Geo uses. The higher the level the more it's enhanced.

*lvl 40 - Spectrum Mastery: Allows the influences of Light and Dark elemental skills
This would basically add light/dark to the list of elements that can affect your elemental abilities.

Job Abilities
lvl 15 Enrage:Increases enimity on all actions taken [5 minute recast/3 minute duration]
En-voke, so they can hold hate better.

lvl 30 Elemental Shield: Forces a random elemental enhancement [3 minute recast/varying duration]
This ability lets you instantly cast a longer lasting version of one of the 'Wall' type buffs. Duration of each buff depends on Skill and any stats you have on when you cast the ability. Though random, you can increase the chances of a specific buff if there's enough ele influence in the way of weather/zone/equiped stats.

lvl 45 Elemental Burst: An instant random elemental attack [3 minute recast]
Much like the shield, this can be influenced to use a certain element by the same attributes.

lvl 60 Prism Shift: Randomly changes the elemental attributes that are in effect [5 minute recast/20 minute duration]
This ability will let you change weather affects that influence you and you alone. For example if you're in a wind/water zone and you use this ability you would no longer gain the wind/water effects. Instead you would randomly get two new elemental attribute effects such as earth/fire or thunder/ice or any combination of the four remaining elements.

Spells
5 - Twister: Deals light Wind damage to one target and lowers the target's evasion
8 - Resist Thunder: Lowers Thunder resist of target
12 - Charge: Deals light Thunder damage and lowers critical hit rate of target
15 - Resist Fire: Lowers Fire resist of target
19 - Chill: Deals light ice Damage and interrupts spell casting
23 - Resist Earth: Lowers Earth resist of target
27 - Downpour: Deals light Water damage and gradual HP reduction
31 - Resist Ice: Lowers Ice resist of target
35 - Blaze: Deals light Fire damage and lowers str of target
38 - Resist Water: Lowers water resist of target
41 - Rubble: Deals light Earth Damage and immobilizes target
45 - Resist Wind: Lowers Wind resist of target
47 - Resist Light: Lowers light resist
49 - Resist Dark: Lowers dark resist
51 - Hurricane: Wind dmg stronger eva down
54 - Electrocute: Thunder dmg w/ stronger crit down
57 - Avalanche: Ice dmg, more spell inturrupts
60 - Torrent: Water Dmg, w/ stronger HP down
64 - Inferno: Fire Dmg, bigger Str down
69 - Fissure: Earth Dmg, stronger bind
71 - Radiance: Heavy Light ele Dmg that induces Intimidation of the caster
71 - Nightfall: Heavy Dark ele Dmg that inflicts Sleep

These spells would be used similar to a nin's spells in that they are more to hold hate and enhance tanking then to Deal Dmg. Each spell would be greatly affected, both positively and negatively moreso then current spells, by the elemental effects of the zone and any enhancements, including the JT 'Elemental'. The first tier would have minor MP costs and cast times, but the higher ones would have higher costs in accordance to their scale. Similar to the elel debuffs of Blm, these would not fully stack and you could only have two effects at most active at a time.

Skills and Gear
A+ Geomancy Skill which affects their buffs/attacks and spells
A+ Staff with access to mage and melee staves
B Gaxe with access to great axe and Voulge types
C+ Axes with access to Tabars and battleaxe types
C- Sword with access to Scimitars and shortswords
D+ Clubs with access to DD clubs

With a B+ Gaxe a geo could easily be similar to a war tank in the early lvls. As it got higher and it's traits, abilities and spells got stronger, it would be able to switch to staves, most likely the earth staff to enhance tanking. It would be able to equip gear similar to a Bst, including the Haubergeon and Byrnie, though Hauberk and Adaburk would be excluded. This would give them a decent Mp/Def/DD set of gear to choose from and use for different situations. Meaning it could easily bust out a Gaxe, even in the later lvls, if it's needed to DD something.

In addition to all that, a special JSE ammo type item would be introduced. These items, or 'Bells' would each have different elemental proporties and would act to enhance/enable different elemental attribute. For example if your in an Ice/Thunder area and you equip an earth bell, you'll be able to get the Earth affects as well as the Ice/Thunder effects. Or if your in a Fire area and you equip the fire bell, it would enhance the proc rate an potency of the Fire effects, both offensively and defensively. This way a Geo still has it's terrain based history, but players are still able to get the spells and effects they want.

Chemist

Chemist

Masters at the art of manipulation, manufacture and dispensing of items and medicines. Unlike the guild of Alchemy, a Chemist uses their knowledge of the base components of materials found in the world around them to break down and reform them into powerful chemicals without the use of crystals. Focusing mainly on healing and defense, Chemists use their scientific knowledege to heal the wounds of their allies. But many of their potions can be used for powerful offensive purposes.

Using seemingly random assortments of items, a chemist can create numerous types of Base Chemicals. Each Base Chemical stacks to 99 and is used in various Recipies, each type corresponding to a different purpose. Blue Chemicals are used in curative Recepies, Green Chemicals for defensive Recepies, Red for damaging Recepies and yellow for enfeebling Recepies. The more powerful the Recepie the more chemicals are used, some Recepies even require mixing Base Chemicals with a fifth rarer White Chemical to allow for incredible results.

Job Abilities:
lvl 1 Mix: Creates powerful Chemicals using raw materials [30 second recast]
This is what makes the Chemist a Chemist and not just an item using job. Using basic, stackable, easily available items, a Chemist mixes them in the correct combinations to create one type of their five basic Chemicals. Each mixture creates a random amount of a specific Chemical type based on the Chemist's Mix Skill and Int.

lvl 5 Forage: Searches area for usable matierials. [3 minute recast]
This is basically like a Rng's Scavenge JA, it allows a Chemist to find base mats to use in creating their Chemicals. Though it can randomly find normal medical items as well.

lvl 20 Vapor Seal: Allows next Chemical used to affect all targets within range [1 minute recast]
This is only works on some curative and defensive Recipes. Unlike Whm, Chemist's don't have natural AoE cures and buffs so they would use this ability to simulate Curaga type cures. The trade off for not being able to spam AoE cures and such is that a Chem can make many other defensive buffs or DD recipe AoE.

Job Traits
lvl 5 Use:Allows use of items on others.
This allows a Chemist to use normal, non-r/e, alchemy made items like eye drops and such on other people. This in the end is nothing more then a nod to chemist jobs of the past.

lvl 15/30/45/70 Resist Paralyze I/II/III/IV: Increases resistance to Paralyze.
Speaks for itself, anyone who's ever tried to use an item while Paralyzed can easily understand why this would be helpful.

lvl 20/40/60 Double Stack I/II/III:Allows conservation of supply space by compression of stackable items.
This ability can only be used on items that stack to 12, and only affects items in a Chem's inventory. Items can not be bazaared, traded, sold to NPCs, set on AH or equiped in any way while in stacks of more then 12. The reason behind this trait is to help alieviate a chemist's inventory problems as they would need to carry supplies to create their Chemicals in addition to needing space to store the Chemicals. Being able to carry 48 items, each of which can make 1-99 of a specific Chemical, in a single slot would certainly reduce their Inven strain.

lvl 30/70 Medic I/II: Enhance the effects of potions and items used.
This would allow for greater effects from any and all items used, Chemist made or not. For example using a normal Potion, which restores 50 HP, would restore an additional 10HP per Medic lvl. Or using an Eye Drop would also add bar-Blind to the target. Not all items would be affected by this trait though, things like I-Wings won't have any special affects. But all Chemist based items will have much more noticable results.

lvl 35 Throw: Enhances range and accuracy of usable Recipies
Another nod to past Chemists in name, this ability allows a chemist to get more distance between them and their pt while also giving better Racc for their DD recipies.

Recepies
This is basically a Chemists spell list. Though instead of drawing on MP to use their cures they rely on the numerous Base Chemicals they can create. Stronger spells have higher cast times and use up more Base Chemicals. DD and debuff type spells are cast similar to how a War's Tomahawk or a Drg's Agnon JA works in that an item needs to be equiped in the ammo slot, either a Yellow or Red Chemical, for the Recipe to be Cast. All offensive Recipes will only take effect if thrown item connects, meaning Racc gear will be highly prized by Chemists. The proc and effect of the thrown item however will be based on Int.

[Sabaron]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

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Geomancer

Skills and Gear
A+ Geomancy Skill which affects their buffs/attacks and spells
A+ Staff with access to mage and melee staves
B Gaxe with access to great axe and Voulge types
C+ Axes with access to Tabars and battleaxe types
C- Sword with access to Scimitars and shortswords
D+ Clubs with access to DD clubs

Hey now! Where's my A+ Bell skill...

[Ziero]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

Bells go in the ranged slot but aren't meant to be thrown. They just boost spell effects and stats. =P

edit: Also, if that's meant to be an insinuation that I copied someone's idea then that's not where I got the concept from. Those are skills and items that Geo's more or less always had so it's only logical that more then one person would feel they should use them. I actually wrote up this Geo concept months ago on another topic:

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/632918-post7.html

Edit again: Also, I might end up doing a Time Mage write up just for the heck of it. So many people say 'it can't be done' and such and that just makes me want to prove that it can be. Heck of all the new job possibilities Time Mage would prolly be one of the easier ones cause all it needs is a unique spell list. Any other new job would need some sort of job specific gimmick to be unique in some way as all jobs, except mages, have them.

[Illuen]

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I'm thanking you, if anything, simply because Celia and Lede were badass. I hated them, but they were still bad-ass. Katana-wielding Dancers, brilliant.

Celia and Lede were indeed badass, but I much preferred Olivia, simply because her one spell that gave half a million buffs was godly. ^^

FFT Fans Unite!

[Cyprian]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

Hmmm I didnt think about katanna b/c I figured its NIN ONLY but yeah, I could definately see Dancer use it. I like your Geo and Chem ideas, Ziero. You didnt say Chems skills tho, Id assume itd be: A Club skill, Aish(?) throwing skill, and A+ Chemist(?) skill. or somewhere along those lines. You also didnt mention any 2hrs, but meh...

[Caspian]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

If you're going to go with dancer's as an assassin type job and use katana's, you could always get more specific and give them Sais, the same way BLU's specialized in shortswords. I know there aren't very many sai type katanas atm, but that could always be remedied with a patch.

[Ziero]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

Hmmm I didnt think about katanna b/c I figured its NIN ONLY but yeah, I could definately see Dancer use it. I like your Geo and Chem ideas, Ziero. You didnt say Chems skills tho, Id assume itd be: A Club skill, Aish(?) throwing skill, and A+ Chemist(?) skill. or somewhere along those lines. You also didnt mention any 2hrs, but meh...

Yeah, I didn't finish the Chemist idea 100%, still needs skills, equips and a spell list. But club and dagger would be higher ranked skills, and throwing would probably be best at A rank. I'll try and get that stuff up later today.

As for two hours, I never really put much thought into them. They always seemed like last minute concepts to me as opposed to job defining abilities. People always seem to focus on them while thinking up job ideas, but in game they're very rarely used. Only time I see them is from boredom or if I'm involved in a special BCNM style fight.

Best idea for geo I had was to have it be an instant, super strong, multi-elemental spell attack. You use it, get 2-3 big bangs of a different element and the mob takes a lot of dmg. I figured it should be some sort of super def buf as my Geo concept's main purpose is tanking, but that would be redundent with it's abilities and classically speaking a Geo was always a DD. So a super attack would work fine as it would create a large chunck of enimity to help with tanking while causing mass dmg to the mob in an attempt to take it out quickly.

As for Chem, I think something like Rikku's limit break from FFX where you gain access to stronger versions of the Recipies you can make. You'd get three or so casts in XX amount of time similar to Smn. But you could use Buff and Healing items along with direct damage and stat items that you normally wouldn't be able to use.

If you're going to go with dancer's as an assassin type job and use katana's, you could always get more specific and give them Sais, the same way BLU's specialized in shortswords. I know there aren't very many sai type katanas atm, but that could always be remedied with a patch.

Actually I was thinking the same thing, in that if a Dancer had access to katana it should be limited to one or two main types. Right now there's only three I know of(most likely spelt wrong btw) Kuni, Ninjato, and Sais, each one having a different unique shape and base stat set up. (i.e. Kuni generally have lower dmg, lower delay). It would just like how Wars can't use most Tabar type axes or Blus can't use any Bastard class swords.

[Sabaron]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

Bells go in the ranged slot but aren't meant to be thrown. They just boost spell effects and stats. =P

edit: Also, if that's meant to be an insinuation that I copied someone's idea then that's not where I got the concept from.

It was a jest. ^^ Bell was the crappiest weapon aside from Harp in V. Tinkle, Tinkle, Tinkle. Imma ding-a-ling you to death with my 1337 Demonic Gong From Hell +1, etc.

[Cyprian]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

Now....what are the chances of SE actually taking ANY of these thoughts? O.o Probably 0, but its still fun to talk aboot. I really hope they make more new jobs. Even though I already have a hard time sticking to one job....

I want Necromancer, I think itd be fun. A strange combo of BST and SMN. Youd have to fight things to get them like SMN, but it was just in a regular area instead of BCNM type thing, and itd also be able to "charm" Undead.

I also want a Charmer job like BST but it charms Beastmen, Arcane, and the like instead of animals. I think itd be interesting.

[DR2D2]

Re: What jobs would you like to see added to FFXI in the next expansion?

!st SE could make a so-called free agent class(a class which specializes in soloing-both in leveling and helping others solo(without having to party). I realize that a couple of classes could be considered this, but lets make 1 class which specializes in this( even if it is an unlockable job after achieving level 75 with a char.---this job could be an "expansion job" with a "special forces" type flavor--would be a good way of adding a whole new set of missions which you would have to do solo(or with very limited help) The only thing would be that there would have to be either stat boosts or no level caps but a requirement would be that you would have to be this job(at least as your main job).
Another type of job which would be interesting would be an "immortal" class. This would be a class similar to smn but instead of the 6 or so creatures which can be summoned with smn, this class could call upon mythological creatures and gods to fight along side of them. It would be cool to be able to call upon Posiden to wipe out a IT mob.(of course they would have to limit how often, or how strong these creatures would be.) I think they could make it be either weapon skill related, or questable, or better yet in sky they could allow you to call upon any creatures that you have killed. They could make this a sky quest, or hall of gods quest.
The last suggestion for a new type of job would be a "mercanery" type job where your weapon skills and abilities are directly related to the NM, HNM"s, ect... that you have killed. This would also be an unlockable job which would only become available after level 50 and rank 7-8(I would not make it rank 10 as I would make any NM's from these ranks as the 1st abilities that would be unlocked).