How is this possible?

[Lambeaus]

http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=4730&sid=4&stack=0

This 'Ruhip' character has been doing this for months, and the price has dropped 150k in that time, and seems to be almost undercutting HIMSELF!

How can you legitimately obtain and sell 8 Holla scrolls and 4 Dem scrolls in two days? I'm guessing he has mules that he keeps deleting, but he has to obtain Fame 4 and make all the trips, but still that is time consuming, and he's been doing it for MONTHS! Nobody has that much time on their hands...

[Jei]

Re: How is this possible?

Mules and pos hacks. There are exploiters that even do this with teleport-vahz too. Can be done in pretty much less than an hour.

[Lambeaus]

Re: How is this possible?

Mules and pos hacks. There are exploiters that even do this with teleport-vahz too. Can be done in pretty much less than an hour.

So you are saying illegally?

[Jei]

Re: How is this possible?

To do it fast, yes. You could possibly run your mule around on foot. But think about it, when cheaters can travel from Windurst to Northland in less than 5 minutes on a level 1 mule, makes teleport-scroll quests sound a lot easier right?

[Icemage]

Re: How is this possible?

So you are saying illegally?

Yes. If you're on his server you could maybe try reporting him to a GM. It's not possible to create a character, load him up with cabbage or millioncorn or whatever, and trek out to Selbina to get enough fame (assuming you use the ever-popular quest from Melyon to do so), get back to San d'Oria, then go get the scroll - not ten times in one day, and there's no legitimate reason for a player to need that many Teleport-Holla scrolls (hell, at 13K apiece there's zero justification for it).

It would be interesting to see if there's a similar run on Warp scrolls.


Icemage

[Lambeaus]

Re: How is this possible?

To do it fast, yes. You could possibly run your mule around on foot. But think about it, when cheaters can travel from Windurst to Northland in less than 5 minutes on a level 1 mule, makes teleport-scroll quests sound a lot easier right?

of course

I had a friend contact a GM about it, and nothing was done because it didn't violate the ToS.

Not that I care, I did the quests for myself and had no intention of selling. But it just doesn't seem right, and seeing the scrolls drop that much that fast because of one or two guys is incredible.

[Lambeaus]

Re: How is this possible?

Yes. If you're on his server you could maybe try reporting him to a GM. It's not possible to create a character, load him up with cabbage or millioncorn or whatever, and trek out to Selbina to get enough fame (assuming you use the ever-popular quest from Melyon to do so), get back to San d'Oria, then go get the scroll - not ten times in one day, and there's no legitimate reason for a player to need that many Teleport-Holla scrolls (hell, at 13K apiece there's zero justification for it).

It would be interesting to see if there's a similar run on Warp scrolls.


Icemage

how about that

http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=4869&sid=4&stack=0

Ruhip is on there several times as well.

[Lambeaus]

Re: How is this possible?

AND Warp II!!!!!

http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=4870&sid=4&stack=0

SAME GUY!!!

[Macht]

Re: How is this possible?

pos hacking is illegal so yes he is. But if it's only getting fame and then traveling to a ???. Then a Mule given money for powder and oils and then just the right set of quests should get you the fame needed. Other then that a lv. 1 character should be able to make it to Gusgen Mines solo, so if you've done the run over enough times you should be to get to the ??? and just blood warp out.

Take you a little longer then an hour but it seems possible.

[Lambeaus]

Re: How is this possible?

pos hacking is illegal so yes he is. But if it's only getting fame and then traveling to a ???. Then a Mule given money for powder and oils and then just the right set of quests should get you the fame needed. Other then that a lv. 1 character should be able to make it to Gusgen Mines solo, so if you've done the run over enough times you should be to get to the ??? and just blood warp out.

Take you a little longer then an hour but it seems possible.

yes, but doing that 4 times a day for 3 or 4 months straight seems highly unlikely, and he is doing that for Holla, Mea, Warp, AND Warp II. I just find it really hard to believe.

[Jei]

Re: How is this possible?

warp is easier to do tho. There's a few ways to boost bastok fame easily without having to go to selbina, could be done all in bastok.

[Mhurron]

Re: How is this possible?

Yes. If you're on his server you could maybe try reporting him to a GM. It's not possible to create a character, load him up with cabbage or millioncorn or whatever, and trek out to Selbina to get enough fame (assuming you use the ever-popular quest from Melyon to do so), get back to San d'Oria, then go get the scroll - not ten times in one day, and there's no legitimate reason for a player to need that many Teleport-Holla scrolls (hell, at 13K apiece there's zero justification for it).
It would be interesting to see if there's a similar run on Warp scrolls.
Icemage

That might not be what he's doing. When you look at the transactions, its not hard to believe that they are buying and selling among characters they themselves own. Sell to a mule, trade back, sell to a mule ad infinitum.

It's stupid, but no more stupid then hacking to get a hell of a lot of tele scrolls to sell them at a tiny fraction that they were selling at.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: How is this possible?

That might not be what he's doing. When you look at the transactions, its not hard to believe that they are buying and selling among characters they themselves own. Sell to a mule, trade back, sell to a mule ad infinitum.

It's stupid, but no more stupid then hacking to get a hell of a lot of tele scrolls to sell them at a tiny fraction that they were selling at.

Yeah but why go to all the trouble of selling the scroll between various mules if the intention is to price fix for just one sale? He has to be getting them by some means if he wants to constantly a profit from this.

I'd say its a mix of both. He recreates one mule and then trades between his "legit" looking characters. And somehow, he's getting enough fame to go do these quests a lot. Really fishy.

RMT seem to be working with the deflation rather than against it now, in hopes of inflating things come December. Thing is, Sanction and Even Assault started this deflation and its hard to override what those parts of the game do.

RMT have tried to inflate food, but failed. They try to inflate things like SH or Vermy and fail again. BCNM, ISNM, ENM - they can't control these.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: How is this possible?

It's interesting to note the various items Ruhip has been selling. I'm guessing Ruhip is a clearing house account for quested scrolls from other accounts, which may or may not be mules. It seems like every time SE does a mass banning of accounts, a new set of accounts can be found in areas like Korroloka, Altepa, Crawler's Nest and Garlaige within a short time afterwards.

If RMTs are trying to replenish their ranks by leveling new accounts, I could easily see them trying to take full advantage of these new characters by doing runs on quested scrolls.

It's also interesting to note the names of the players who have bought the scrolls Ruhip has placed up for sale. Some of the players whose name shows up more than once are probably legit players. After all, if Ruhip is selling scrolls for the 3 basic Teles, it's likely that a WHM who needs those scrolls will buy 2 or 3 of them in a short period of time, opting to either quest them later or not quest them at all.

I'm wondering why the player Aiu has purchased Warp 5 times in the past week. Is he trying to buy up the supply so he can try and artificially raise the price? If so, I don't know why he doesn't show up as a seller when there's only 1 scroll left in stock. Is he buying up Warp scrolls to distribute to his friends?

[Macht]

Re: How is this possible?

It's interesting to note the various items Ruhip has been selling. I'm guessing Ruhip is a clearing house account for quested scrolls from other accounts, which may or may not be mules. It seems like every time SE does a mass banning of accounts, a new set of accounts can be found in areas like Korroloka, Altepa, Crawler's Nest and Garlaige within a short time afterwards.
If RMTs are trying to replenish their ranks by leveling new accounts, I could easily see them trying to take full advantage of these new characters by doing runs on quested scrolls.
It's also interesting to note the names of the players who have bought the scrolls Ruhip has placed up for sale. Some of the players whose name shows up more than once are probably legit players. After all, if Ruhip is selling scrolls for the 3 basic Teles, it's likely that a WHM who needs those scrolls will buy 2 or 3 of them in a short period of time, opting to either quest them later or not quest them at all.
I'm wondering why the player Aiu has purchased Warp 5 times in the past week. Is he trying to buy up the supply so he can try and artificially raise the price? If so, I don't know why he doesn't show up as a seller when there's only 1 scroll left in stock. Is he buying up Warp scrolls to distribute to his friends?

Likely muddling with the AH sales in a different place. Some stuff that sells in Bastok AH is more expensive then the ones sold in the Windurst AH. So not to surprising to see some people buying out the stock of items from the Windurst AH and taking them to the Bastok AH.