No Provoke

[Mog]

This is food for thought.

An interesting question comes to mind. What would this game be like if SE didn't so cordially give us provoke? In the eyes of ninjas and paladins, provoke makes it ten times easier to establish and keep hate on a mob. If provoke, however, wasn't an ability, how would this game change at all? What job classes would be sought out after the most? Would damage dealers become the ultimate tanks? Would paladins be shunned from parties? How would people level?

What are your thoughts? I'm one curious moogle.

[Rostum]

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Curiousity killed the moogle!

[Aksannyi]

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An interesting thought. I would say that MNKs would be sought after as tanks rather frequently for their ability to hit hard, they sometimes end up getting a good chunk of hate. Paladins have some great hate-holding tools, so I'm sure they wouldn't become obsolete.

On the same line of thinking, what would it be like if you couldn't use your sub's job abilities? Thus, the PLD or the NIN wouldn't have voke, but WAR would? Would people acually use Warrior like he was intended (as a tank) or would the gameplay be the same as it is now? Just something I am curious about, because I kind of hate how WAR was the original tank and now you can't even find a WAR who is able to tank, let alone one who is willing to.

[Theyaden]

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This is food for thought.

An interesting question comes to mind. What would this game be like if SE didn't so cordially give us provoke? In the eyes of ninjas and paladins, provoke makes it ten times easier to establish and keep hate on a mob. If provoke, however, wasn't an ability, how would this game change at all? What job classes would be sought out after the most? Would damage dealers become the ultimate tanks? Would paladins be shunned from parties? How would people level?

What are your thoughts? I'm one curious moogle.

hmmm a world without provoke...
Warrior would drop in popularity a bit.
Paladin would only be able to tank so long as their yagado drinks/melon juice exc held to keep mana up.
Ninja tanks would either go to damage dealing or go even more broke due to extra elemental wheel dependance.
Tanks that can hold hate would build a reputation as being extrodinary.
Due to lack of hate control people would be more defensive minded when choosing gear rather than stacking on strictly damage dealing gear.
Damage dealers would be forced to nerf their damage even more than recient trends have required.

Thats what I can think of.
Regarding if you could only use your primary job traits Warriors would become the ultimate tanks with ninja and paladin becoming the but of hate control jokes while both of these groups will feverently insist minimum 12k/hour is what you'll get at level 20 with them in your pts. ^..^

[Sabaron]

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THF would be ultra-popular.

SATA would be the preferred method of hate assignment at 30+. The tanks would fall similarly to where they are now. As long as the PLD keeps curing and the NIN keeps dishing it out, the THF's long-lasting spike hate from SATA will be the killer ability [The "new" voke if you will].

[Cometgreen]

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Which would just make the grind up to 30 even more frustrating. Not that most low levels provoke anyway.

[Likibiki]

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Go exp in the Mire, where everyone subs NIN... and flies spam Cursed Sphere.

My squishy Taru behind often gets slapped around because there's no one to take hate off my *needed* Curaga 2... and they blame ME for them losing hate.

It's now at the point where I either solo or just do Besieged for EXP. It's safer, especially with only a R1.

[little ninja]

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Actually we had this discussion in shell. At first i think S.E would have given Warriors some form of a hate trait, or hidden feature that caused war to be main focus of parties. When pld came out. thats when i think a provoke type job ability would have been introduced.

[little ninja]

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Actually we had this discussion in shell. At first i think S.E would have given Warriors some form of a hate trait, or hidden feature that caused war to be main focus of parties. When pld came out. thats when i think a provoke type job ability would have been introduced.

[Nukapai]

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BLM would never get past level 20. :p

Ooooor you'd end up with Mana-burn parties at early levels (which, incidentally, is something I tried at around level 14-18 and it wasn't half bad).

[Omni]

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nin/brd and nin/drk for uber hate sustaining abilties. :D though, it would make nin dd-less however.

probably pld ftw. lots of hate grabbing abilties. though, not till 37. cure bombing grabs hate but takes time to build up.
war wouldnt have anything to grab hate with.

ping pong the hate ball?
like nukapai said, hehe a lot of blm wouldnt make it past 20.

[eticket109]

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Its viable in endgame to tank as pld/nin without voke... that would be one heck of a rough road getting to that point without it though. lol

[Likibiki]

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See, people keep telling me that PLD can tank as /NIN at endgame - but I refuse to believe it.

I've partied with so many parties of PLD's, SAM's, DRG's, whatever - a party without Provoke, basically.

Either my avatars or myself end up tanking.

And if the PLD gets amnesia, and he's the only one with voke? You're still screwed.

People just assume that /NIN = fast exp. For them, maybe. For the poor healer spamming Cures on the stupid melee who get hate and have no way of getting it taken from them... not so much. Because hate will go onto us, and we will die because you can't take it back.

[Omni]

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And if the PLD gets amnesia, and he's the only one with voke? You're still screwed.

Actually pld is the job i trust the most to tank stuff that uses amnesia. If a ninja gets amnesia and doesnt have hate already then yea, youre screwed.

If a pld has amnesia, no prob. drop a flash and a cure III on himself/someone.

Silence is heck of alot easier to counter than amnesia.

[Celeal]

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No provoke would result in no solo tank? The melee jobs would gear balance between DD and Def? And no more IT mob hunting.