Wow Expansion hijacks chocobo

[Murphie]

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On the thread, what ever point it has. People seem to have forgoten the length of the FF franchise (first installment released in Japan in 1987 (19 years ago!!!!)

Alot of the original jobs, magic spells, item types, avatars, mobs etc etc were all conceived way before any of the other MMO's were even considered, and not forgetting gil and Chocobos!!!!!

Yeah, but none of those concepts were new even when the series first launched.

[Ryouken]

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I agree, both the chocobo and the "phoenix" look very similar. (Btw, how can Blizzard create something like "that" and call it a phoenix? It looks like the bastard child of an ostrich and a peacock...)

However, in terms of stealing it, WoW couldn't be sued (as much as I would love to see that), since they could just argue that the gnomes mount (the "mecha-raptor" I think it's called) looks exactly like a choco too and it's been around for years.

It doesn't bother me really, as I don't play WoW and will never care too. I play FFXI purely because I love the FF franchise.

FYI, I'd be very careful about getting off-topic, as (from the posts I've been reading) this thread is starting to become a FFXI vs WoW flame thread. Let's just try and get along and just focus on the ostriches...

[Antivomit]

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GUILD WARS GRAPHICS FTW!!!

[Grizzlebeard]

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I fear that in this instance Grizzlebeard you make yourself look foolish. Telling someone they have no right to hold an opinion because they disagree with you is realy disapointing in an otherwise well thought out post. Arguing he's misinformed is one thing telling him he's not allowed to comment is truely repugnant.

The person I was responding to made a blanket statement the game held no challenge which is patently absurd to anyone who had played it for any length of time beyond the starting levels. There's a big difference to someone making educated criticism or even offering an opinion based on experience but the person in question was just spewing stupidity and maligning a good game. So, before you start defending people's freedom of speech and expression then please make sure you read and understand both sides of the discussion and I'd be grateful if you refrained from trying to put words in my mouth.

[Icemage]

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4. Have you experienced all content the game has to offer across all level ranges for each race on both Alliance and Horde side? If you haven't then once again kindly close your mouth and sit on your hands.

This is a ridiculous argument. I consider myself one of the more knowledgable players in FFXI and I haven't come close to completing all the content in FFXI no matter how hard I try.

For that matter, since (to my recollection) you haven't played FFXI yourself in quite some time, by your own logic what makes you competent to make comments about it?

I'll ask you here to stop trying to silence other forum members who disagree with your views. Disagreement is fine, but telling people they have no right to an opinion (correct or otherwise) is improper behavior when on a public forum such as this. These forums exist specifically to share views, not toe the party line.


Icemage

[Macht]

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http://guides.gamepressure.com/guild..._screen_18.jpg
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http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/910...esavant1os.png

GUILD WARS GRAPHICS FTW!!!

Well graphics wise it is decent, they did good on color and shading. Design wise of the gear though not quite my cup of tea. I'd have a hard time with the equipment displayed (Except for maybe that guy completly clad in heavy armor). Other then that surrounding and all reminds me of Lineage II.

[Antivomit]

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Yea I tried to show the diversity of the armor selection in the game. The armor clad, batman looking one, is the warrior. Exactly the opposite of FFXI, GW is mostly consistent of Mage-style characters, where as FFXI is mostly melee. The warrior armor for GW is awesome. There are a lot of other types of armor in that style too, that is just one of my favorites.

If you liked that armor, you'll like these too...

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[Rai]

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The Guild Wars shots look pretty good, I have Guild Wars, over all it has a much higher esthetic sense than WoW but still it falls short of matching FFXI.

The female characters are a bit over idealized, tiny waists big boobs. They look good but fall on the side of being a caricature.

The proportions of elements within the enviroment often seem off, and I don't mean because they often attempt to create ruins or cities on a grandiose scale, in doing so they somehow have just not gotten it right.

They often break their established color palette and use overly vibrant colors.

Overall I like the looks of Guild Wars, but for me the game's other short comings made me go back to FFXI. The cities are where you interact with other players but once you venture out of the cities you are in your own Instanced World. Also PvP is a major aspect of the game, I am not into PvP, I'd rather play a co-operative game.

[DakAttack]

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I disapprove.

There's truely nothing original in World of Warcraft.

[Antivomit]

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The Guild Wars shots look pretty good, I have Guild Wars, over all it has a much higher esthetic sense than WoW but still it falls short of matching FFXI.

The female characters are a bit over idealized, tiny waists big boobs. They look good but fall on the side of being a caricature.

The proportions of elements within the enviroment often seem off, and I don't mean because they often attempt to create ruins or cities on a grandiose scale, in doing so they somehow have just not gotten it right.

They often break their established color palette and use overly vibrant colors.

Overall I like the looks of Guild Wars, but for me the game's other short comings made me go back to FFXI. The cities are where you interact with other players but once you venture out of the cities you are in your own Instanced World. Also PvP is a major aspect of the game, I am not into PvP, I'd rather play a co-operative game.

I agree with all of that.

I think they have the idealized female proportions to keep it feeling fantasy, and no one (that I know) fantisizes about ugly people. I'm not defending idealizing women, I'm just saying, that's where I think they were going with that.

And about the PvP. I love the competition aspect, but I need more... I need more game content. More lvls. More room to grow. So yea, FFXI blows that part out of the water.

There are pros and cons to an instanced world.

Some pros are:
1.) Never have to worry about someone claiming you NM (just boss in GW) or camping spot.

2.)Gives you a chance to be alone in thought and gameplay sometimes, which is needed every now and then.

3.) Allow for the cities and town to be able to have connected servers, so a player isn't bound to just one server for their entire gaming career.

Some cons are:
1.) If you die without a party, your screwed (kind of, GW has Ressurection Shrines so you can be raised if you die).

2.) Gets boring after so long without seeing other people (if your without a party).

3.) No mob respawn until you rezone.

Either way, it's all based on what you want out of a game. I want awesome looking graphics (armor, weapon skins, etc.) and high levels/vast explorable area. GW has the graphics and FFXI has the the vastness. And in the end, gameplay is what really matters.

[Ryouken]

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No offense Antivomit... but when did this thread have anything to do with the quality of graphics between WoW, FFXI, and... GW? (I have no clue why GW was brought into a thread about chocos')

If you want to discuss your views on GW and its graphics, then please post a thread about it on the Video Game section of the forums and not here, thank you.

[Antivomit]

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lol, sorry. you know how topics in threads go... a random comment gets made and then there is a whole conversation gets started. ok, back on subject... now if WoW started letting you change your birds color based on stats, then we know we have a problem.

[Macht]

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Ehh, instance zone I don't like. Especially not to that kind of scale, the competiton with other for an NM is actually an enjoyable part for me. Also a big zone entirely to yourself? that's just taking away a lot of the world feel to it and almost sounds like GW was somewhat taking the idea from .hack in a way.

[Theyaden]

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The person I was responding to made a blanket statement the game held no challenge which is patently absurd to anyone who had played it for any length of time beyond the starting levels. There's a big difference to someone making educated criticism or even offering an opinion based on experience but the person in question was just spewing stupidity and maligning a good game. So, before you start defending people's freedom of speech and expression then please make sure you read and understand both sides of the discussion and I'd be grateful if you refrained from trying to put words in my mouth.

I have no interest in putting words in your mouth I quoted your statements without omision so it would be clear what I was refering to in my own statements.

Opinions are not all posted with our own personal standards that we may consider worthy if he was right or wrong is beside the point in my opinion. The price of having our views tolerated is we must sometimes allow those whos ideals are repugnent to us also speak. I actually like the fact you presented arguments as to why you feel is is wrong you telling him to shutup was where I took exception. If you wish to discuss this in more detail please PM me and we can discuss it further without subjecting everyone else to our walls of text.

[Manatra]

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*puts her flame retardant suit on*

Ok first off, the mount is a cockatrice, not a phoenix. This is a phoenix. Which is an epic flying mount (that's also the Dark Portal in the background). As others have pointed out: How unique can, what amounts to a ridable ostrich, get? So no, WoW isn't ripping off FFXI when it comes to the cockatrice mount.

To the person spouting off about Renaissance vs Impressionist work, your point is...? As far as I can gather, you're trying to say that the FFXI art style is better than WoW's art style by comparing the period and movement. However, both the artists from the Renaissance period and the Impressionist movement were quite successful in what they set out to accomplish. The same can be said for WoW and FFXI, each game's art style sets out to accomplish different things and both are quite successful.

As for the instances, it's largely a preference thing. I prefer instances because you can get some fairly unique fights that are more than just tank and shank which you couldn't do when you have "competing" groups. You also start getting what I call the "Half-Life" effect where the story can be incorporated into the instance. Hard to explain, but if you've played through Half-Life you should know what I mean.

Oh, and finally to those saying that WoW rips off a whole bunch of MMORPGs and coming off as if FFXI is innocent in this matter. FFXI is basically Everquest draped in Final Fantasy clothing. This was especially apparent when it was first released. It's shocking, I know, but it's how the industry (and entertainment in general) works.

Anyway, in the name of balance here are some WoW screenshots:
http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/img/n.../Karazhan2.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/img/n...ar/exodar1.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/img/n...fang-Raid2.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/img/n...songwoods4.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/img/n...Peninsula4.jpg
http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/img/n...ngarmarsh7.jpg

And some videos:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...42698758513414
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77589167214073 (Note: The editor did embellish the graphics a bit in Adobe Aftereffects, especially the "circle" animation.)

(yes I know, I helped make both of the videos and it's a shameless plug but meh)