What's the best relic weapon?

[Vyuru]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Gugnir, +20acc tossed in with my other gear and I think I can laugh at Byakko.

Otherwise... Ragnarok, I forget the exact stats on it, but the WS looks good, drain is always nice (unless you just used Apocalpse on a skeleton) and haste is nice too.

[Aeni]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

What people forget when they say Aegis is that it's only useful with a shield skill. Currently, in the game, only these jobs will really benefit from a shield:

WAR
THF
RDM
WHM
PLD
BST

Of the jobs that actually use shield for more than just aesthetic reasons, PLDs, BSTs and RDMs greatly benefit from the use of such a relic item. I fail to see, in the hands of a non-tank how this would "greatly help a group."

The only "group" useful relic is the horn, but let's be honest, how many of you actually have a 75 BRD main?

Back to the poll, I just have to choose Apocalypse, mostly because I'm partial to the weapon selection myself.

[Caspian]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

WAR
THF
RDM
WHM
PLD
BST

Since out of all those jobs, PLD is the only one that can use Aegis, its highly useful for the job. Same as Gjallarhorn for BRD. They are each indespensable for their respective jobs. Most other relics are highly useful for the jobs that use them, but these two make a world of difference and make any party where one of the members has one of these items highly more useful.

[Desideratum]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

The only "group" useful relic is the horn, but let's be honest, how many of you actually have a 75 BRD main?

We're not allowed to say horn if we don't have a 75 BRD?

[Icemage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

The only "group" useful relic is the horn, but let's be honest, how many of you actually have a 75 BRD main?

I have a 75 Bard. It's not my main, but it's curious that, of the dozens of basic relic weapons I've received in Dynamis, the only one I've kept is the Relic Horn. Not that I am really ever going to upgrade it, but if I were going to upgrade any relic, it would definitely be my first pick.


Icemage

[Taskmage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Is the effect of Gjallarhorn really that dramatic? The +2 to all songs saves a lot of swapping between weapons, but I bet you could buy a +2 song instrument for each type of song for less money than it takes to upgrade the relic horn. +10 skill probably makes it easier to stick lullaby and elegy, but does it increase their potency? Any effect on buffs?

[Icemage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Is the effect of Gjallarhorn really that dramatic? The +2 to all songs saves a lot of swapping between weapons, but I bet you could buy a +2 song instrument for each type of song for less money than it takes to upgrade the relic horn. +10 skill probably makes it easier to stick lullaby and elegy, but does it increase their potency? Any effect on buffs?

Gjallarhorn gives +2MP per Ballad effect. That's why it's so bloody powerful, because a single Bard with it gives 7 MP per tick to his party (yes, I've experienced this firsthand, and yes, it really is as outrageously good as you can imagine). This is why I think all these people voting for any other weapon aside from Gjallarhorn have no clue what they're talking about and have never seen any of the completed relics in action first-hand.


Icemage

[Taskmage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Holy crap. D: That is powerful. I guess no other instrument in the game gives a bonus to Ballad?

[Desideratum]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

I have absolutely no intention of ever pursuing an upgraded relic, but if I did, it would be the Gjallarhorn all the way. I could be adorable and uber at the same time. :3

[Drive]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Holy crap. D: That is powerful. I guess no other instrument in the game gives a bonus to Ballad?

Storm Fife only a +1 and assault only. And not to sound lazy but the Relic Horn would save me up 15 slots....

[UnnamedGalka]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

I guess no other instrument in the game gives a bonus to Ballad?

At all times? Nope.

[Vyuru]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

This is why I think all these people voting for any other weapon aside from Gjallarhorn have no clue what they're talking about and have never seen any of the completed relics in action first-hand.

Yeah, but if I have a relic weapon I want to be smacking the mobs around with it and not sitting there singing songs

[Icemage]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Yeah, but if I have a relic weapon I want to be smacking the mobs around with it and not sitting there singing songs

42MP per tick for your party beats any amount of puny damage you might be doing with your weapon. Big numbers don't mean squat if you're dead.

I don't care what kind of numbers I put up, as long as I win my battles. Winning battles means I can get the other stuff I want easier. Big numbers in damage just means I spend more time face-down and more time earning XP to counteract the loss.

Individual damage means very little at end-game unless you solo a lot. Conversely, if you solo a lot, there's very little chance that you'll have a completed relic weapon.


Icemage

[Dragonly]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

Winning battles means I can get the other stuff I want easier.

If you have the final relic stage completed I doubt theres much left for you to do. (on that job)

[Vyuru]

Re: What's the best relic weapon?

42MP per tick for your party beats any amount of puny damage you might be doing with your weapon. Big numbers don't mean squat if you're dead.

Very true, but I prefer melee jobs, so unless I'm going rdm/nin with an Excalubur + Mandau, I'd stick to the two handed weapons personally.

I especially favor the Gugnir, Angon and the Gugnir's def down can let dragoons give everyone an almost constant berserk depending on the proc rate for Gugnir.