Prices dropping...fast

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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PSU

Just wait for the US release and watch all the NA and EU kiddies wreck it with their Action Replays and Codebreakers in less than a month. Sega never really addressed any of the issues of PSO had until Blue Burst - took 'em five years - and they only fixed the experience for PC users and not the userbases on Xbox, Gamecube or Dreamcast. Classy.

After all the BS people had to put up with in those broken versions, I'm amazed anyone is excited a new Phantasy Star game that's online. They'll be back to FFXI soon enough.

I'll just be there for the single player and maybe the free month online - I like the series itself, the style and the music - but if i'm paying to play something, it had better be a real MMORPG and PSU just isn't that.

[little ninja]

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Since when has an MMO actually delt with issues. FFXI is just as hacked as PSO was. Fish botting is allowed. an the other half of the pop is running bots to claim mobs. An thats just the very tip of the S.E iceberg.

Will people come back? To be honest whats there to come back to for some peeps. Especially when you done with city missons, Z mission, CoP missions . Sky is pretty much dead nowadays. not to many are into the whole dyn anymore, everyone an there mother hates besieged on my server. Assault is losing its zest in a hurry.

[DakAttack]

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PSU is just a glorified PSO, nothing has really changed. Character customization is nice and all, but doesn't make a game all by itself. From what I've seen you're still just running through the same areas killing the same things over and over, hoping for a rare drop. The graphics look the same as well, bright and simple like a western game.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Since when has an MMO actually delt with issues. FFXI is just as hacked as PSO was. Fish botting is allowed. an the other half of the pop is running bots to claim mobs. An thats just the very tip of the S.E iceberg.

Will people come back? To be honest whats there to come back to for some peeps. Especially when you done with city missons, Z mission, CoP missions . Sky is pretty much dead nowadays. not to many are into the whole dyn anymore, everyone an there mother hates besieged on my server. Assault is losing its zest in a hurry.

Sorry, but you suffer from the mistruth that most people are in endgame, which is fueled by visiting fourms such as this one - that's just not the case. There's plenty left to do for much of the player base. Players in endgame do not represent the whole community. I'm sorry if you have friends leaving, but the longer you play is what's making you percieve things as such.

FFXI is not "just as hacked" as PSO, hacking in PSO took place on the client-side and will take place in PSU because it is easy for anyone to do so. FFXI and other MMORPGs do not suffer as much from this because character data is not stored on the client side and whatever foreign data that does slip in can been detected, flagged or screened out by the DNAS system. DNAS can only be as good as what its told to look for and has to be updated. That's why you see so many bannings/temp bans lately. SE has accumulated a lot of different data and is not going for one type of hack like P2P games tend to. If you can invalidate several programs at once, that discourages the hacker greatly, taking out one little hack at a time wouldn't phase them.

PSO had rampant MPK problems and mass duping as well. These are game-breaking issues that far trancend somone botting claim. Duping and MPK provide direct results, when someone bots claim they can still die or lose claim and drops are not garunteed. And really, most of the claim drama is just that - drama. Mass duping and MPK were 100 successful in PSO and Sega did nothing to stop it, this made the game immensely unenjoyable and it all came from the client's side.

PSU may be DNAS-enabled, but its just a program licensed out by Sony, its up to the developers to use it to prevent issues and detect hacks. But not even Sony themselves uses it to its potential - Champions of Norrath, anyone? Same issues as PSO. Diablo II on Battle.net? Same thing.

If I'm wrong and PSU has server-side saves as Blue Burst supposedly did, that removes most of the duping and MPK potential. That alone would make the game a bit more appealing.

[Jei]

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SEGA had their lesson from PSO. PSU might be better you never know. Give it some time.
Not that I'm going to get the game tho.

[jwalton]

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From what I've seen you're still just running through the same areas killing the same things over and over, hoping for a rare drop.

Isn't that, oh I dunno... pretty much what we've all been doing on Final Fantasy XI since day one in some form? Coffer key drops ring a bell? Rare/EX items needed for missions sound familiar? Phantasy Star Universe is also going to have its own storyline that's unlocked as time goes by, so that aspect is a non-factor.

The graphics look the same as well, bright and simple like a western game.

Are you for real? Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? You think this:

And this:

And this:

...resemble western games? Are we even in the same dimension? Phantasy Star Universe looks way more JRPG than Final Fantasy XI does. You know, like Star Ocean, Xenosaga, all those crazy RPGs that come out in Japan? And FYI, when screenshots of FFXI first came out in Japan before the game had released, Japanese gamers were complaining that the game looked too western! Come on, seriously, you're really reaching.

If I'm wrong and PSU has server-side saves as Blue Burst supposedly did, that removes most of the duping and MPK potential. That alone would make the game a bit more appealing.

Open mouth, insert foot. Phantasy Star Universe saves all data server-side, and handles all aspects including combat, server-side.
You know folks, Final Fantasy XI is a perfectly enjoyable game to many, and some folks have gotten tired of it and moved on to Phantasy Star Universe. It is perfectly acceptable to enjoy both games, or stick with one and enjoy just that. The bashing really needs to stop, alright? If you're going to take cheapshots at the game, at least do a little research first.

[dirtyclown]

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I plan on getting a copy of PSU. Dunno if I'll go online with it, but I'll definitely make use of splitscreen if that option is available.

[Jei]

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they complaint FF11 looks too western? : / interesting
did they complain about FF12? Since it looks so similar to 11...

[jwalton]

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Nah, it was just that Final Fantasy XI was a major change in art direction for the series, and the Japanese weren't used to it. But they changed their opinion once they started playing. Final Fantasy XI had a rough start, but it steadily grew and is a very large game with a strong playerbase, far different than what the game was like when it first launched...

On Phantasy Star Universe, here's one of the more interesting cutscenes from the offline story mode, though keep in mind, it's major spoilers. It also happens to show that Sega really means business with this game, and it definitely isn't a repeat of what Phantasy Star Online was. I'm really curious to see how Sega handles the online story mode and if it'll compare to what Final Fantasy XI's done so far. Four more days until Sega puts up their first update...

[DakAttack]

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Nah, it was just that Final Fantasy XI was a major change in art direction for the series, and the Japanese weren't used to it. But they changed their opinion once they started playing. Final Fantasy XI had a rough start, but it steadily grew and is a very large game with a strong playerbase, far different than what the game was like when it first launched...

Western art is very vibrant, while eastern art is usually made up of more earthen-based colors. I highly doubt anybody thought FFXI looked too western, visit an art meusem sometime. The PSU screenshots remind me of WoW in terms of color, but I'm happy to see the character models are more lifelike. The clothes look very Kingdom Hearts in style for some reason, I'm not sure if that style is seen anywhere else.

That last pic is terrible. -_-

[Pai Pai Master]

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No need for this to become any sort of FFXI vs. PSU discussions. They're very different games, so let's keep the discussion on topic.

As the devteam stated at TGS, they'll be working overtime to continue bringing prices down. It seems they're pretty serious about it finally, as they've stated that once prices are down to an acceptable level and inflation has been either slowed considerably or stopped completely, they're going to shift their focus to hackers and botters.

So, while it's good news for many and bad news for some, don't expect the prices to stay the way they are. With Christmas coming up there'll be a lot of people buying gil, but the devteam's likely going to beef up their inflation-fighting efforts even more in the next few months in order to bring it to a stop.

[Mhurron]

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don't expect the prices to stay the way they are.

Most radical changes end up going to exteems at first, but any dynamic system will eventually find an equilibrium. So chances are prices will get very low before they rebound back to where they will end up staying for a little until the next major changes upsets the ballence again.
This year was just bad because you had the hyperinflation at the early part of the year. Then when it started to settle again, ToAU hit and messed everything up again with new sources for some items and new rare materials. Then there were several very public bannings that removed a good chunk of gil from circulation. I doubt next year will be quite as bad.

[Raitox]

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Any word on the price for PSU monthly?

[jwalton]

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Western art is very vibrant, while eastern art is usually made up of more earthen-based colors. I highly doubt anybody thought FFXI looked too western, visit an art meusem sometime.

We're talking about video games, not art museums. Go ahead and try to tell me that most Japanese games, particularly RPGs, aren't colorful. Besides that, you're quite incorrect. Some quick Googling results in the below:

FFXI preview on Eurogamer (see: last paragraph)
There's a few message board discussions on the matter as well as a Slashdot article, and I recall The GIA (old, very awesome gaming website that most here probably don't remember) having an article on it a long time ago as well. You can check yourself if you want, but what I said is true. There's no sense in my making stuff up.

By the way Raitox, word on the street is $9.99/month, but Sega hasn't given the official word for stateside players. In Japan, exchange rates amount to about $8/month.

[Demo]

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man I tell you, you just cant please people... complain when prices are high, now complain cause they are too low...good grief.