The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

[Kronosan]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

explain to me how any of the suggestions i've made would dumb this game down. How would more diverse job choices and therefore more role playing dumb down the experience? Seems like it could possibly be more rich than your wildest dreams.

Let's say I wanted to level a drg. COudl i do 1-75 in a week.. not even close.

And is not being able to party sometimes tasty? do you love when that happens?

And I wouldnt necessarily want to go to 75 in weeks. I just don't like the hang ups when there arent enough people to party. I don't mind how long it takes to get experience once you are IN a party.

I sound like two sides arguing because thats what happens when a game has good and bad things. The bad things in a game don't make the good in it even better. The crappy things in life do that.

THe traffic coming home from work makes FFXI sweet. The traffic getting a party does not.
Let's agree to disagree Murphie I'm curious what others have to say on this.

[Murphie]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

There are already 18 jobs in the game, resulting in quite a few options when combined with a sub. Sure, we could use at least one more tank, and maybe another healer, but my god. The problem is that there are too many DD jobs, and everyone wants to play them because healing and tanking aren't super awesome or something.

I never have any problems partying. Regardless, it's a problem with the player base, not with game design. If you aren't having much luck with parties, take it up with the people who play on your server. Not SE.

Personally, I think your ideas have very little merit. The game has flaws, yes, but the suggestions you've made aren't going to improve the things I think are wrong with FFXI. But that's me.

[Kronosan]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

Personally, I think your ideas have very little merit.

ditto.
I sensationalize a bit yes, but it doesn't mean it isnt an issue to a lot of people. It would make the difference between me playing FFXI insted of WoW.



IDEA: a formulated thought or opinion

Well, if you don't want a 75, then why worry about how difficult it is to get to 75? That shouldn't affect you at all.
Personally, I think your ideas have very little merit.
There are already 18 jobs in the game, resulting in...
Regardless, it's a problem with the player base, not with game design.
take it up with the people who play on your server. Not SE
I didn't suggest anything, genius. XD

[Murphie]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

I didn't suggest anything, genius. XD

Honestly, if you want to level faster or more consistently, either set up a static with these friends of yours who also have trouble leveling, or play a job that gets invites really fast. It's just that simple.

[Neomage]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

One thing I wish se would do is make it possible for all jobs to do something in a solo quest to earn mabye a max. of 10k EXP/week as a supliment or if they really hate partying or just can't find one, at least get to where the fun stuff is. Level 1-10 was fun. The dunes where murder but an experiance to remember. And how did you feel when you first steped into Jeuno?

Between levels 40 and 70 that majesticy fades are your stuck with a redundant monotoned level grind that there is no alternative to get to the rest of the fun content. By no means is the level grind hard, but it's to tireing to put up with. I havn't joined an EXP party on my 66 BLM for 2 months because I don't want to put up with the repeating agony of 85% of parties(some 15% are actually fun) just to get four levels and hit 70 and join my friends in endgame.

[ikkleste]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

I both agree and disagree with the OP in a way.

I don't beleive the owness is on SE to change anything here. THe fact is that picking just about any 6 people with give you some sort of party that can exp. Particularly if people are flexible with their subs. The problem is that 97% of the people don't just want some exp. They want an optimum party that will give them max exp.
And theres the rub. Even if SE tweaked things so more parties were viable theres always gonna be a "best" and while so many people refuse to settle for anything but the "best" all the other options get ignored. It's exactly whats happening right now.
Six months ago people whined and bitched about not being able to find a healer/refresher/tank, there were too many melee LFG. If they got a healer/tank/refresher/DD/DD/DD party they could get X exp/hr if they only had DD/DD/DD/DD/DD/healer they would only get Y exp/hr. SE makes burn parties a better option (able to earn Z exp/hr) and people still whine. Because theres a new "best". X exp/hr isn't good enough anymore they need Z to even consider partying. Has the old party setup gone away? No, the camps are still there. But people want in on the "best". For the the old setups are no longer viable options.

Sadly it doesn't matter what SE does, theres always going to be a "best" setup
and the mentaltiy for a lot in the game is that only the best is good enough. SE could make every setup "viable options" but there will only be one best option and that is the one that most people are going to go for.

[Zamphire]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

I hate people who whine about not being able to get parties. I've taken 7 jobs past 50 (I have two characters) and through a little work on my part a compromise you can almost always make a party. First, do /sea all inv 48-52 that will give you a range of people who are looking for a party in a level range of 50. There's almost always at least 1 or 2 people you can build a party with. NIN or PLD for a tabk, if not grab two melees with /nin, perferably war/nin to dual blink tank. RDM, WHM, SMN for healer. Can't find those? get ANY 2 mages and have them sub whm, they can heal. As long as you have 1 tank and 1 healer you can make a group. If there's not any on the inv list, start looking for people that are not activily seeking. /sea all whm 48-52. Yes, it gets annoying to be the whm that gets invites when they aren't seeking, but you've gotta make a party somehow and most dont mind as long as you only ask once. Just go down the list sending {Party} {Do you need it?} to every WHM that isn't in a party. Repeate for the rest of the jobs. If you do this, there's about 1/50 chance you wont be able to make a party. In which case, go level another job or farm/craft or something while lfp, you can always use more money.

[Queen Uma]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

I never have any problems partying. Regardless, it's a problem with the player base, not with game design. If you aren't having much luck with parties, take it up with the people who play on your server. Not SE.

Murphie stop abusing that nail, its got enough headache as it is

The problem is most definatly the players. Everyone is unwilling to do anything without this or that job in their party. My 54drk hasn't had a party for weeks as a result. Is my gear crap? No. Do I have a bad reputation? No, quite the opposite actually. Have I had parties at 5/6 that won't leave Jeuno until they find a brd or cor? Yes and it sucks.

It would seem that most players are not content with 4-5k an hour in a reasonable party, they would rather wait 6 hours for a certain job to appear so they can get their 6,7 or even 8k per hour. Its infuriating.

Got an almost full party but can't find a tank?
Quick Mr Whm you'd better disband and go back to sitting with your flag up then.

Here's an alternative I offered my last party but they simply laughed and wouldn't take it as a serious option. If you have a whm or rdm in the party and you are lacking a tank get them to sub war, equip a wind staff and go fight worms. Rdm/war casting silence with a wind staff, spamming enfeebles and voke is the best worm tank. As long as they keep hate the worm will never.... let me just emphasise that, NEVER! hit anyone in the party. This also works if you have a rng in the party. Have them sub war, voke and go all out on their DD and the whm or rdm only has to cast silence. Simple as that.

Can't find a refresher and you have a pld tank.
Oh no!!! Call the police! Evil Mr Downtime is about to visit.

So you'll have downtime without a refresher, wonderful. Consider though that slow experience gain is infinatly faster than no experience gain. If your pld or whm is that desperate for refresh have all the party take juice components with them. 6 members with a couple of stacks of water crystals and oranges each will last longer than you think.


Of course the chances of either of these options being used are slim to nil. Whats that you say Slim?...... Slim?....... nope he's gone. Ah well, guess everyone is content with what they're getting

P.S for those who may doubt the rdm/war tanking worms. I did it in Kuftal quite easily a long time ago so I do have first hand experience.

[KoukiRyu]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

I agree with Zamph here...I made it to 75 on MNK, and most people say that MNK is lfp forever...I made my own parties by doing exactly what he said, just going down the list, seeking or not, and asking people just once if they were up for partying. If you can't make a party like that, then it's definitely the players on your server, or your server as a whole. Although, I do really like the idea of being able to solo more...I personally solo Easy Prey Lesser Colibri while partying, I mean it's only like 30 exp per each one, and I can only kill 3 or 4 before needing to rest, but it's not that bad. Being able to take Even Matches...or at least Decent Challenges solo past 30 would be really nice, because those that con for that are far too hard -_-

[Zamphire]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

Also, something that alot of people don't know, but a fully level BST sub will let you charm things equivilent to your mains level. Charm is almost completely CHR based. So as long as you have enough CHR (grab a few CHR rings) you can go out and solo BST style on almost any job.

[Celeal]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

Or try to form a full or partial static party with friends. Just make sure your static contain some key role like a tank or refresher. The rest can be fill in from pick-ups (form your own parties).

You can start a partial static with a minimum of 2 people.

[Kaickul]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

Honestly I am not about to drain my brain reading that wall of text, but from what I can gather from skimming and reading other posts this is what I guessing it read.

Gimme, gimme, gimme, me, me, me, my, my, my, now, now, now... becuase I am yet another an instant gratification whore.

Everyone who has stayed with this game has had to work for their rewards like everyone (almost) else and if they didnt like the work... well ...go do something else.

[Hantz]

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"The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me"

Oh wait...that wasn't it? Oh I see. You wanted something else....

[Omni]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

I agree with others in that its not up to SE to make your leveling experience quick and instantaneous whenever you want it to be.

The thing about wow is that it provides everything for you, right away, right now. I think this causes players to be spoiled in a sense when they come to ffxi. You really need to have patience.

If you still want to play but still dont have any time, really, do other stuff. I have as busy of a schedule as any of you. I work full time, irl happenings, etc. It's a bit better now but the past 2 yrs, I had probably 4-5 hours a week to play. I logon, seek right away. If I dont get an inv. w/i the first 30min, I go find something else to do while my inv is still up.

The problem isnt with the game or the jobs, its just lazy people. When I see at the 75 range, you find 40-60 ppl seeking. Plenty of tanks, healers, refreshers, and dd seeking. 30min later you find the same ppl still seeking. Why? No one wants to make their own pt. No one wants to lead. Times I get a pt where someone half way through forming, they say they dont want to lead anymore. Then everyone else says they dont want to lead. If PT leader leaves during a PT, no one wants to pick up lead. Everyone just wants to go along and not have to do anything and reap the XP.

Find a friend, alternate making PTs together. If not, just do a little research on where to camp, and start making your own. Dont hesitate. Say this is where you are going, and this is what we are killing. People will listen.

Theres no amount of code that SE can implement to make you play with others. If you dont initiate anything, what do you expect to happen?

[Queen Uma]

Re: The ONE thing Square-Enix should change to make this game the only MMORPG for me

Omni, I find I have the opposite trouble. I don't mind being the leader and will constantly try to setup my own party but in-demand jobs are such arses these days. If I start a party and get a whm if I don't have a brd/rdm/tank within 10 mins of them joining they leave and stick their flag back up. Five minutes later I've got a tank to join so am about to invite the whm again and I usually see:

Tank>> {Party} {/no} {White Mage}? {No Thanks}

So the tank will then drop, the whm will join again check the member list, see no tank then drop and won't accept another invite. Its not like I don't communicate what I'm doing to the party either.

Plain and simple, there is nothing SE can do about this bar equipping the game with a USB connected Forkmatic 9000.

That's right folks! The Forkmatic 9000 for all of your eye forking needs.