Rude behavior...

[Theyaden]

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Nah, you don't really need a Great Axe for now.

When I took war through the dunes I used a regular axe with a shield. there isn't that much of a difference with one handed swords and axes at those levels. I used the shield so I could tank since tanks tend to be higher demand than damage dealers and in valk anything with armor gets used for tanking. Also first job though your not likely to have your skills capped so Weapon skillranking doesn't make as much difference here as it does later.

So, considering all these I gotta tell you it might work better for you to just solo till lvl 20 as a WAR and get help to get the subjob Items (I'm looking at you Murphietaru! ). You might get also more gil soloing like that and it wont take too much time really.

Not to mention the headaches you are gonna avoid, you can worry about parties after you start with THF.

I'ld say avoiding all parties till level 20 is a bit extreme. You'll run into good ones and bad ones over time. Plus sometimes at the end of the one that gets you to level 18-20 questions of if you have your subjob items come up. I've been in pts where those with higher level jobs offered to help get remaining subjob items. Also fighting crabs as an xp mob drops the crab apron. If the pt is willing to fight a few damsel flies (It's got mean AOE's so they are usually only grabed if the normal xp stuff is running out) they drop the damselfly worm leaving only the skull to get. Parties are more likely to give you slack learning when you have no subjob rather than your pt learning curb being after getting a sub. Also 1st linkshells are often aquired in the dunes if you enjoy chatting in /p during breaks exc. (A little conversation/humor goes a long way in making a pt fun)

I've noticed one other trend with dunes parties. People usually have more of a sense of humor when things go wrong (Varies pt this is the average I've experienced), there is much less xp at stake. Some not all of the higher level pt's end up getting more worked up over little things.
I solo until 10-12 depending on job.

[Clever Ninja]

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It's the Dunes, I wouldn't take it seriously. There are both good AND bad parties there. It's the extremely hellish and probably most painful 10 levels you'll ever have though. But if you have good friends, once you hit 15 you can fight worms in Korroloka Tunnel. All you need is a 15 WHM for silencing and basically anyone else can go. Fastest exp ever if you can get it going. My brother just started and is leveling WHM, so when he hits 15 I'm going there with him on my RNG, then he when starts his BLM/WHM I'll level my 13 WHM with him ando do the same thing.

Korroloka Tunnel

[Aeni]

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I have to say, however, that avoiding the Dunes the first time around is a bad idea. It's not just some mysterious "rite of passage" either. It is your first real experience with parties.

Do not get fooled for one minute thinking that after the Dunes, you'll always get good parties.

In fact, the opposite tend to be true many times. You will experience getting kicked out of some party in your 60s because the leader wants his LS mate to get in on the action. You will find yourself in parties where no one knows what they're doing and get wipe after bad wipe causing you to go back to square one. You will find yourself in many, many situations that are potentially a lot worse than anything you've ever experienced in the Dunes.

I don't know what is worse. Going through the Dunes or having your party PL'd for the next 50 levels after that...

[Raydeus]

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I'ld say avoiding all parties till level 20 is a bit extreme. You'll run into good ones and bad ones over time. Plus sometimes at the end of the one that gets you to level 18-20 questions of if you have your subjob items come up. I've been in pts where those with higher level jobs offered to help get remaining subjob items. Also fighting crabs as an xp mob drops the crab apron. If the pt is willing to fight a few damsel flies (It's got mean AOE's so they are usually only grabed if the normal xp stuff is running out) they drop the damselfly worm leaving only the skull to get. Parties are more likely to give you slack learning when you have no subjob rather than your pt learning curb being after getting a sub. Also 1st linkshells are often aquired in the dunes if you enjoy chatting in /p during breaks exc. (A little conversation/humor goes a long way in making a pt fun)

I've noticed one other trend with dunes parties. People usually have more of a sense of humor when things go wrong (Varies pt this is the average I've experienced), there is much less xp at stake. Some not all of the higher level pt's end up getting more worked up over little things.
I solo until 10-12 depending on job.

Yeah, that's true, I know this game is about social interaction so just going solo isn't such a good idea from that point of view (I met most my best friends in game at Dunes lvl).

However going to 20 solo isn't that bad if you know people who can help you with the sub items, and soloing is also good trainning to know the game's mechanics. I gotta say I've learned more about the game soloing than I have in parties.


She has to decide what she wants to do, and both choices are good so she can go either way, as long as she is having a good time.

[Kyero Fox]

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I just got my Warrior to lvl 10, yay for that.
Anyways, I heard at lvl 10 you start lvling in parties and someone adviced me to move to the Valkurm Dunes.
After 30 minutes of waiting there I got a party invite went to them and got kicked with the reason "lol no [Great Axe], noob.", whats up with that? (On the way back I died "delvled".) >.<
FFXI is the first online game i ever played and I enjoy it but it really hurts if people tread you like that without any advice.
I've got also accused to be a man just because I play as Mithra...
I joined Bahamut because I heard it has a nice community, I do know that I'm just a beginner but the only nice person I've met so far is Murphie which is really helpful and he also got me the WP but right now I'm kinda desperate. ; ;

I'm sorry to hear that you've been accused of being man for being a mithra ..Sex and Race should not matter in MMO and no one should accuse someone to be a certain sex just by how and what they play.

and about the Name calling"Noob" most of the time its just noobs trying to look cool even tho what they said was completly stupid Great Axes are A+ for Warriors so he should be feeling bad about what he said making him self look like a dumb ass

if you dont find Bahamuts community to be nice try my Server Cerberus there are a lot of nice and helpful people ... if it was for the community on Cerberus I wouldnt be the Copy Ninja I am today *points to Signature*

[shihaden]

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yeah theres people like that but theres even worsw one time a guy was shouting that SE suck balls , and i asked him why he said that _ and he replied- beacuse u suck d??Ck... advice always ignore people like that

[Vyuru]

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I just got my Warrior to lvl 10, yay for that.

Wooo! 8 more levels until you can get a subjob!

FFXI is the first online game i ever played and I enjoy it but it really hurts if people tread you like that without any advice.

FFXI is also the first online game I ever played as well. I rarely run into mean people, so the few that are mean or cruel do kind of stick out. I would highly recommend being picky about what kind of Linkshell you join if you don't start your own, a good linkshell can be a marvelous thing.

I've got also accused to be a man just because I play as Mithra...

>.>

<.<

I'm a manthra and proud of it! I'm not paying $13/month to stare at some galkan hieny while I play, though I almost went taru, but that's another story


Weapon wise, I wouldn't recommend using a sword + shield while you level your warrior, even if you changed your mind and wanted to go paladin for instance. Once you hit, about level 28 or so, you can easily skillup weapons in either King Ranperre's Tomb on skeletons, or Ghelsba outpost on the higher level orcs without risk of death, and you can skillup rather high (I've gone from 0 to 40something skill in the tomb)

Swords generally don't deal alot of damage, so I favor two handed weapons. You don't need to level Gaxe, it's a nice weapon but not for everyone. I personally used polearms since I was going to be a dragoon. I would think that axe + shield would be good for leveling, or Greatsword or Spears. Scythes have too much of a delay for my liking for not enough damage when used as a warrior.

If you are going to level thief, you might want to buy a crossbow and some of the lvl 1 crossbow bolts and just shoot a few while you farm or exp as warrior. Ranged attacks are a good way to build up TP as a thief, and you will most likely be using the status bolts to help the party later on, so having some Marksmanship skill might be a good thing.

Other gear advice, depending on how much gil you mind farming, and how pricey things are on your server, I would recommend getting a pair of Battle Gloves (lvl 14, acc/eva +3) for your thief.



In general, if you get a party invite to the Shrakrami Maze, Buburimu Peninsula, or Korroloka Tunnel, you are getting an invite from either people who are experianced and know what they are doing, or clueless people who never use silence, or barstona. Those are, in my opinion, the best places to party, but very few people want to go to any of those places.


You should have come to the Unicorn server, we're the best

Besides, I need more thiefs to party with! I haven't been able to party with a thief ever since I got Wheeling Thrust ; ;

[Bricklayer]

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1) The guy who booted you was definitely being picky, or was just in a hurry to get out of the Dunes. Just put the flag back up and wait for another invite. Also, make sure you've set your homepoint at the southeast entrance (zones to Konschtat Highlands). You could probably kill DC mobs in Konschtat while you wait for that good invite.

2) I wouldn't skip the Dunes altogether. Though it can be like pulling teeth, you may also meet some people who are really good and have a lot to teach you. Also, most people go to the Dunes to level from 10-20, so it is a good place to get invites.

3) Finally, I'd suggest putting something polite/informative in your Search comment (Search -> Edit Comments -> XP Party). Tell people your to-next-level XP needed, that you have an Axe or GAxe equipped, etc.

[Murasame]

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I didn't see this mentioned on the first page. One thing I think people can over look too much is Shield Break. Its the first weapon skill you will learn with Great Axe and lowers evasion. That means your entire PT will get an accuracy bonus in a level range where not alot of +acc is available.

[Minimee]

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you should just ignore that person and /blist them. they arent worth your time. best advice i can give you go back to ronafure for another level or 2. kill anything that gives you exp, and you can kill easily and quickly, without having to rest or stop. then move into la thiene plateau and go til lvl 14 or even lvl 15. then hang around the dunes zone, in ltp, and kill worms while looking for party. as for weapons grt axe is best 1 handed axe and shield is ok. basically its your game do what you can. things like this wont matter til later levels anyways. learn to buy low level items somewhere besides ah, because i guarantee you are paying way to much if and npc sells that item. i sell many low level weapons on the ah for alot more than i pay for them from an npc. example lvl 8 buterfly axe (grt axe) npc price 600g ah 6000g

[Kyero Fox]

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>.>

<.<

I'm a manthra and proud of it! I'm not paying $13/month to stare at some galkan hieny while I play, though I almost went taru, but that's another story

what a Sad excuse =\

but at least you admit it ....

[LemmingkingXXX]

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Some folks on here are giving some good advice about weaponry, yet some appear to be taking pages from the book of brady.

Kudos to you for wanting to be a thf, but if you want to be all the thf you can be, you'll need to have several different subjobs leveled to be flexible and effective. First off (and this was my path) level War to 18, and use axe or gaxe please, they really do make a difference, and we are coming back to war in a little while so you'll want them to be capped (you'll be expected to have those weapon skill levels at or near cap around qufim). Then, you'll want to take Mnk to 37 (I'll explain in a minute) at which point you have a choice, either unlock nin (I soloed the NMs for the quest and then farmed my ass off to get enough fame for my ninjutsu scrolls) or go back and finish off War to 37 (you can do War/mnk until 37 easily, you definitely want to while in the Jungles, and it still works from 32-37 after you leave them). Then, level nin to 37 (make sure you get Utsusemi:ni, it's most of the point of this sub in the first place). Then if you still need to level war up to 37 do so, you'll have a couple subjob choices then.

I know it sounds like a ton of work, but there are reasons for doing this. For a thf, there is nothing better than thf/mnk from 1-20, SA Combo does some nutty damage, and if you are using H2H you benefit greatly from having the Martial Arts job traits, which lower delay on H2H attacks. Now depending on what kind of money you have, you might be able to buy two Small Swords (Level 19, +2 Dex), if that is the case then you will want to switch to /nin for dual wield and use SA Fastblade (which is quite nice in its own regard). So either thf/mnk with SA Combo or thf/nin with SA Fastblade up till 28, where you get another gear consideration. If for some reason you are rolling in teh monies, then you might be able to afford two Mithran Scimitar (level 28, 19 Dmg, +3 Dex) and Dual wielding those is mad crazy cool.

At 30, you get your final bread and butter, Ta. Here is where you have more of a consideration in subjob choice. 30 is also the level where you gain access to Berserk through a /war subjob which boosts ATT by 25%. This can make for some sick sick sick SATA WSes, although I've found that with Dual Mithran Scimitars and a balanced Dex and Agi build, I can do just as much damage with /nin, and I get shadows to help keep me safe (and tonko (invisible) for Galkan Stealth Taru Sitting). So, if you have uber equipment, you might want to go /nin, but at the same time if you lack those insane swords, I've pulled off SATA Berserk Combo in the Jungles for over 400 damage (which is approximately the damage cap at around that level) as a Mithra (my old thf) without the low level uber gear (empress hairpin, bounding boots which my Galka has now) using H2H and /war for berserk.

Either way you go, this will take you to 33. Something to keep in mind as you are reading the previous parts are, at every level you go through, keep your Dagger, Sword and H2H capped at all times. When you level up, skill up each weapon then switch to the one you are using for main damage. Now, since you leveled Mnk to 37, your H2H is already capped to a point you won't reach until your thf gets to be well over level 40. Sword might not be as simplistic due to that not being your best weapon for War by a good 3 skill grades (GA being A, Axe being A-, GS/Scythe being B+ and Sword being B). But, if you have a War at 37, you can dual wield low level low damage swords and skill up on Worms in Korrokola Tunnel and Qufim to cap out your Sword skill so you won't have to worry about switching weapons, you can do the same thing with Daggers, but I recommend there you skill it up to at least 100, which will require the worms in Attohwa Chasm, they are a bit tougher, but a War/Nin can take them easy.

The reason for all this weapon skilling up, is that at level 33 Thf, your dagger caps at 102 skill, and the Viper Bite WS is gained at 100 skill. This WS is THE SHIT, you will all of a sudden do no less that 390 Damage on a SATA Viperbite (I've yet to see it as of yet but keep in mind my gear for my level is supreme, so results may very, but they'll still be sexy). It is at 33 where you finally get to use your best weapon class to damage deal, and if you think about it, the difference between a Thf's Dagger skill and Sword skill, it's approximately the same as a War's Gaxe to Sword difference. Here is where you'll start to see why it's important to use the best weapon type for your job. Before, you might have done a SATA without a WS and done maybe 200-250 damage, and in my case this was with 2 mithran scimitars. Now, with two daggers (in my case, Federation Knives) you'll be lucky to drop below 300, and most of the time you'll be above 350.

After that, the sky is the limit, and at this point you must experiment on your own with different subjobs to decide which is best to use given the party setup and situation. There are people who advocate using /drg with appropriate equipment to provide an early haste setup along with some boosts to attack, and some who use /rng and take advantage of our not too shabby marksmanship skill to deal some damage and land statuses like sleep, drain and defense down with crossbows. The two main subs you will be using after this point, however, are /nin and /war. Some swear by nin with its shadows and dual wield (as the puller, shadows will help keep you safe until you get back to camp), while some say war is the way to go (nothing can compare to Berserk and Double Attack for damage dealing potential). Bottom line being, you decide for yourself what works best for you, and you have a huuuuuugezomgbigfreakinglargerthanhell advantage being a Mithran Thf. As good of a Galkan Thf as I try to be, if a Mithra were to put forth the same amount of effort, he or she would kick my ass, you just have that much of an advantage when it comes to your two best stats, Dex and Agi.

There are some finer points to thf that come later in the job's levels, but this is ample to get you started. First and foremost, the most important thing is to enjoy being a Thf above all else, but it's also important to have enough pride in the job to want to do it well. Have fun, steal some loot, and SATA bishes till the cows come home.


(My goodness, I believe I just spent about an hour writing all that, I must be but I just love Thf that much)