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  • LOLTank

    This was an interesting day. Two differents parties and the tank was weird in both cases.

    Here I am, starting the day as a WHM 32.

    LOLNIN :
    Thief invited me to a party in Garlaige Citadel. We had two Ninjas in the party. I thought this would go smoothly. No AoE, no double attacks, shadows would stick well. Nuh uh.

    I realized after a while that one of the ninjas was being odd. For a party with two ninjas, I usre was burning my MP on healing alot. 350+ MP healing here. Per fight. No chains.

    I checked the log, only to see that the first Ninja (supposely first voker) wasn't using Utsusemi for a few fights. So I asked. No, he still had tools. Already something odd.

    The Thief and him were friends apparently, as I learned later. The Thief leader was being odd as well. Telling us to stand near the back wall. I had to point him that if we did, they would be out of range for healing. I chalked that to inattention.

    A few fights after the Utsusemi, I noticed that he wasn't voking this time, so I spent my MP healing the other Ninja that tried to do his job the best he could. I was told that the Ninja 'is new at the job" by the thief. New at level 33. Account buyer?

    The thief was also riling the GOOD ninja to line up for SATA, despite my saying about messing the hate control that the bad ninja could work with anyway. Read, telling the Ninja actually tanking to get behind the mob for SATA.

    The RDM meanwhile, while not as intellectually challenged, kept saying that the mages were too close to the mob. I told him it doesn't matter, no AoE. "But you're getting hate." Oh, so standing NEAR the mob creates hate, not the 350+ MP in healing.

    Not to mention that I actually pulled hate quite a few times with Regen, Protect and Shell. Anyway, in the last fight, BLM got killed. Leader says "BLM died while you were typing" (Because he pulled while I was trying to ask what's wrong with the ninja tank). I answered that he died because the tank wasn't doing his job, that I shouldn't even be healing the BLM at all, because the BLM shouldn't be getting hit in the first place.

    I disbanded after raising the BLM, who disbanded along with the good Ninja shortly after.

    LOLPLD :

    Static started, I at least got enough exp to catch up in the first bad party, so I just waited around for it to start. We are 3 static for the moment, so we pick up 3.

    PLD level 32, without Eisen, wearing Centurion. Alright. I see why I'm healing so much. Clearly missing some defense there. But otherwise holding hate well, so I let it slip. I got a RDM with me, and the PLD knows how to cure.

    But that's not the worse here. PLD was using a Great Sword. Uhm, okay. We ask why, says for skilling in previous party. I don't get it. Either way, we ask for a switch. She got a sword, but no shield. RDM lend his Aspis (geez) for a bit of help at the very least. PLD says she usually has a polearm. Wait, pLD with polearm? Whatever.

    A few bad pulls, that happens, but we're steadily going on exp at least. Level 35, PLD learns Cover.

    Me................................Mob...PLD

    PLD uses Cover on me. Twice. Someone clearly never read about how Cover works. I'm a PLD and I knew how that worked well before I learned it. So what gives?

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    Just to say, a bad tank is a bad tank, no matter what fricking job you play. Its not about playing Ninja or Paladin -.-

  • #2
    Re: LOLTank

    Isn't eisen higher defense than centurion? You miss out a few stats but I think eisen looks better as a tanking gear.
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    • #3
      Re: LOLTank

      Best to mix Centurion with Eisen, if you ask me. Extra vit, etc.

      OP, one thing you should remember about tanks in the future is that most times, we're mentally unstable. However, that doesn't excuse those two for being retarded. I was expecting to see a thread full of hilarity, but instead it made me sad. Sorry you had to play with a pair of idiots. I feel your pain.
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      • #4
        Re: LOLTank

        I love stories.

        Tell us another one! :D

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        • #5
          Re: LOLTank

          Originally posted by dirtyclown View Post
          Best to mix Centurion with Eisen, if you ask me. Extra vit, etc.
          OP, one thing you should remember about tanks in the future is that most times, we're mentally unstable. However, that doesn't excuse those two for being retarded. I was expecting to see a thread full of hilarity, but instead it made me sad. Sorry you had to play with a pair of idiots. I feel your pain.
          Mentally unstable huh? Look at my sig. I'm a level 75 PLD XD

          And yeah, it makes me sad too, it was a bad day overall. At least the PLD tried a bit, but 10 levels over the gear level is a bit odd in most cases. There are some exceptions to that, such as the PLD AF that nothing beats until you reach 73 for Adaman, and even then some of the AF aren't replaced until Relic or God gear.

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          • #6
            Re: LOLTank

            Honestly, I didn't pay any attention to your sig. Sorry about that. >.>
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            • #7
              Re: LOLTank

              Originally posted by Jei View Post
              Isn't eisen higher defense than centurion? You miss out a few stats but I think eisen looks better as a tanking gear.
              I have eisen for my PLD tank at 29,

              I am currently all eisen except gloves and legs, have centurains for elgs until can afford eisen legs.

              Currently I have Eisenbrust (Def 24 (+1 on centurians scale mail) and +2 AGI, more important than +1 Vit as more swings = more hate.

              Kampfschaller (one of my best bazaa buys, 22k, sellign in jeuno for 60k on garuda) +2 AGI def 14.

              Eisenschuhs +2 VIT Def 8

              still need

              Eisendiechlings +1 VIT, +1 AGI and +17 Def.

              I still use battle gloves as I find the stats usefull.

              Compare it with Centurians gear following....

              Eisen = +63 Def +3 VIT +5 AGI
              Centurians = +58 Def, +3 AGI +1 Dex +1 VIT

              As you can see the eisen gear is much better in all aspects, espeically for my race as a Galka.

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              • #8
                Re: LOLTank

                Originally posted by Jarre View Post
                Currently I have Eisenbrust (Def 24 (+1 on centurians scale mail) and +2 AGI, more important than +1 Vit as more swings = more hate.
                Agility won't help you swing faster, or even improve the accuracy of your swings so I don't know where you're going with this. AGI only helps evasion, rng acc, and some people say some combat def skills proc better. Acc is affected by dex and acc equipment only. How fast you swing is determined only by the delay of your weapon and haste.
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                • #9
                  Re: LOLTank

                  Well I noticed a change, may have been the stat increase on lvling, but mandys missed me more and I hit them more often at 29 than 28. When soloing gobuees (spelling?) and malboros in parshow I have noticed an increased evasion on my behalf which has helped.

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                  • #10
                    Re: LOLTank

                    Also if it gets your shield to proc more offten then any agi is worth it imo.


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                    • #11
                      Re: LOLTank

                      Originally posted by nanatsu View Post
                      Agility won't help you swing faster, or even improve the accuracy of your swings so I don't know where you're going with this. AGI only helps evasion, rng acc, and some people say some combat def skills proc better. Acc is affected by dex and acc equipment only. How fast you swing is determined only by the delay of your weapon and haste.
                      I would agree. AGI+ =/= haste.

                      I do think that AGI+ helps out all of your defensive categories: Parry, Shield, and Evasion. All of which can benefit a Paladin, most importantly the Shield proc rate.

                      Originally posted by Jarre View Post
                      Well I noticed a change, may have been the stat increase on lvling, but mandys missed me more and I hit them more often at 29 than 28. When soloing gobuees (spelling?) and malboros in parshow I have noticed an increased evasion on my behalf which has helped.
                      Maybe you hit better because you were a level higher? Remember you get Sword skill when you level.
                      Last edited by Davitron3000; 09-18-2006, 05:56 AM. Reason: added info.

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                      • #12
                        Re: LOLTank

                        Originally posted by Jarre View Post
                        Well I noticed a change, may have been the stat increase on lvling, but mandys missed me more and I hit them more often at 29 than 28. When soloing gobuees (spelling?) and malboros in parshow I have noticed an increased evasion on my behalf which has helped.
                        You gain accuracy as you lvl due to increased weapon skill caps. There's probably an accuracy boost in there aside from the weapon cap as well, but I'm too lazy to pay atention.
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                        • #13
                          Re: LOLTank

                          AGI ever ever so slightly helps swing speed, and to actually notice a difference it would take a -ton- of it...but it does affect in a small way :x

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by KoukiRyu View Post
                            AGI ever ever so slightly helps swing speed, and to actually notice a difference it would take a -ton- of it...but it does affect in a small way :x

                            I have never ever ever ever heard of that. :p ever. And I try to always make sure about the basic stats at least. Where did you hear this from? Has anyone done any testing and can you show me where?
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                            • #15
                              Re: LOLTank

                              As far as I know. Accuracy is affected by Weapon Skill level, dex, and acc/dex/skill from gear. Aside from foods you can eat. Other people have also noticed a relationship between your base level and accuracy aside from those things but it's something I'm not too sure of. I AM sure that agi affects your accuracy and swing speed in no way at all, according to everything everyone has ever told me or shown me, so I'm curious to see where this info came from.
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