How to identify a gil-buyer

[Ziero]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

Why do people keep thinking that's a good idea? Why would SE *want* to give real money to gil sellers? Just to ban a mule that could be remade in 5 minutes? SE already has methods to hit Gil Seller banks, them giving gil sellers real money, the whole goal of gil selling btw, won't help anyone but the gil sellers.

As for the pld, if a friend really did give him 7 mil then he'd be set for a LONG time. Pld isn't exactly the most costly of jobs, and especially in this day 7 mil could be stretched really far. If this happened in the later lvls it *might* have been a bit more cause of concern, but pld gear 30-40 isn't going to break the bank of someone with 7 mil+.

Personally, I know a few people who bought gil. I had one friend back during the mass inflation over christmas buy a few mil to get the 'best' he could afford on AH. By the time he finished lvling the jobs that used that gear, he tried to resell the stuff only to find the prices dropped like rocks. And to top it off, gear he felt he needed to buy at overinflated prices were things I got free by using a little effort. Another guy I know buys rare, expensive, but in the end highly useless and uneeded gear. As far as I'm concerned their 'punishment' for buying gil comes when I out do people like that with things I earned the old fashioned way.

[Thrasher]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

Gil buyers can easily be identified by there poor posture, harry palms and there pertinence for exposing them selfs in public. If you observe any players fitting the description above please report them to the nearest authority. Taru~
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Easy solution is to conspire with SE - get their persmission to buy gil, then buy the gil, and get the names of the people delivering. SE can then pay back the $ to the player.
However, this means alot of $ hot for SE, and I'm not sure if it would save them the investment long term or not, but its for sure a possible way of getting to the gilsellers.

I lol'ed.........wait don't tell me you were actually being serious.

[I'm just a guy]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

um... gil sellers dont have uber gear, its really crappy acully, just the min they can deal with from what they are farming :3

[Vair]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

um... gil sellers dont have uber gear, its really crappy acully, just the min they can deal with from what they are farming :3

Gil buyers.

[Feba]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

um... gil sellers dont have uber gear, its really crappy acully, just the min they can deal with from what they are farming :3

I see your massive fail and fine you two internets.

[Kutch]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

Banning a mule character is probably never going to stop anything.

The idea I posted about conspiring with SE to buy gil and identify mules has a problem, look below:

On IGE, 1 Million Gil = $25, just over 2 months subcription to the game.
FFXI sells for $9.95 (on Amazon)

Problem here, is purely mathematical.
The RMT's Farming accounts are unlikely to be on the same POL accounts as the selling mules. This means that cutting away the mules means a $9.95 loss for IGE, whilst a 1 Million Gil sale = another licence for FFXI to create mules on + some coin to spare. So unless they can get to the farming accounts, and ban those, SE isn't going to to get rid of sales mules - ever.

Assuming that the farming accounts are able to make at the least 4-5 Million Gil a month (I know I can, if I focus on it, and I'm ONE person), the cost isn't really that big, compared to the earnings. the RMT's are simply EVERYWHERE now, their automated softare takes no consideration to existing PT's that were there for them, and more than 10 times, I've been "invaded" by such an RMT PT.
Their MO is as simple as it is recognizeable by anyone:

1. They log in with everyone at once
2. Move to (their) ideal spot, regardless of whether another PT is there or not
3. Log out a raiser. Let the PT fight. On death, log in raiser
4. No replies to {Pull Back}{Please}, or anything else. Insults *sometimes* gets to them, especially if you badmouth china in some way.
5. Names are all weird, such as "Owehtgzht", but not always
6. Nobody tries to run away on a bad pull, even when there's a clear wipe
7. (And this is typical) Their levels, compared to where they are, is alot higher than the average EXP PT would be (i.e. lvl 61-62 in Cape Terrigan wiping on Crabs every second fight)
8. Even though one or two toons dies in EVERY single fight, they don't move to another spot. After about one hour, they are gone again.

I would strongly suggest that SE simply block ALL traffic from china :p

[Ziero]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

4-5 million a month?

I'm sure a gil seller could make more then that a day...

And not all chinese are gil sellers and not all gil sellers are chinese.

[Aeolus]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

The ones at Okote camp sell about 5-10pairs a day depending how lucky they get. Okote are still 3m on my server and things like SH have dropped to 2m, its crazy. Last time I checked camp it is 2 RMT PTs competing agaisnt each other and posted at every corner of the room. No ones got any chance.

[Celeal]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

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Then the next time I saw him, he upgraded his gear (he now had, VERY VERY expensive stuff) and when I asked him how he did it (I was still suspicious), he replied "Yeah, I've been doing alot of fishing ^^"
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For fishing, the fatique level of a character set a max number of caught over a period of time (about every 24 hours in real life), plus a lot of fishing location is danagerous for low level characters. Factor in moon phase, fishing skill, time for traveling, inventory space... To be honest, fishing is a good way for funding consumable like expensive food, silent oil, etc. For VERY VERY expensive gear? That is very suspicious.

[Ziero]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

Well what kind of 'expensive' gear was this anyway? Most expensive stuff I can thing of is Kampf stuff and most of that barely breaks 100k a piece. And from 30-50 I can't think of any real expensive Pld item, maybe a Merc earring, but that's only 300k at worst iirc. If this guy was really given over 7 mil to start with, he'd be set for a long time to come.

[Kutch]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

4-5 million a month?
I'm sure a gil seller could make more then that a day...
And not all chinese are gil sellers and not all gil sellers are chinese.

I was being careful not to exaggerate

One of the things that make China a good spot to open up a gil selling business is that their legislation completely ignores other people's rights to copyright and demonstrates a total lack of respect for other countrie's laws and regulations on intellectual property.

We're talking about a country that invokes the death penalty for stealing gasoline, for being married to two people at the same time (bigamy) and for computer hacking - DEATH penalty..

Excpect anything good from china? Don't hold your breath.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

um... gil sellers dont have uber gear, its really crappy acully, just the min they can deal with from what they are farming :3

A couple of posters pinged him on this, as if he read the thread wrong. But he's simply referring to the OP, who said...

I know that a gil-seller is usually a high lvl character with uber gear, yet no subjob, and sometimes has a weird name like Axehyu or something like that...

[Herrisa]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

You know, I wish if gil buyers are going to lie about buying gil, they would actually make up realistic excuses.

I was leveling my mule in the Dunes for giggles and our party's whm had two astral rings. I didn't really think much about it because, hey, long time players have this sort of thing thing and can afford it. Then one of our party members started asking about it and the whm replied that he had a lot of friends on this server and on another server and they shared a lot (how friends on another server help you on this one I have no idea), got lucky in a BCNM50 (oookkkaaaayy, thought Astrals dropped from BCNM20, but maybe his "friends" helped him out in BCNM50 that dropped a million gil item... mulitple times), and he had a 75 drg on another server (like I said, how does that help you now?). My eyeballs literally rolled back at this point. I'm pretty gullible and tend to take people at face value, but even I could smell something wishy-washy on this one.

Listen... if you're going to lie about buying gil:

1) Know your facts.

2) Keep it simple.

3) Stick to the story.

The OP's buddy screwed up when he forgot #3. He changed horses mid-stream, so to speak, and that raises everyone's red flags. As for the Astral Ring whm... he couldn't even get 1 out of 3 right.

[Ziero]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

Astral rings can be won in the treasure chest BC 50 where you go in and pick one of three chests. It's soloable at any lvl, if you're lucky. His mentioning lots of friends and a high lvl job on a different server could have meant he has a lot of in game experiance. Something many people who play this game have proven is that a player who starts from scratch on a new server could easily make a small fourtune before lvl 10, this may have been a case of that. Now combine that with generous friends and you can easily obtain twin astrals.

Many times people see someone with excellent gear and a 'shakey' story and will automatically start thinking 'Gil Buyer!'. But more often then not, that is not the case.

[Aeni]

Re: How to identify a gil-buyer

Astral rings can be won in the treasure chest BC 50 where you go in and pick one of three chests. It's soloable at any lvl, if you're lucky. His mentioning lots of friends and a high lvl job on a different server could have meant he has a lot of in game experiance. Something many people who play this game have proven is that a player who starts from scratch on a new server could easily make a small fourtune before lvl 10, this may have been a case of that. Now combine that with generous friends and you can easily obtain twin astrals.

Many times people see someone with excellent gear and a 'shakey' story and will automatically start thinking 'Gil Buyer!'. But more often then not, that is not the case.

Yah, same here. I even got asked once on my RDM if I was a gil buyer (Because I never saw you around before) But I didn't want to tell him I had a second account in case I started getting bugged about helping with KS, Sky, etc.

So I just *shrugged* and said believe what you will, I'm not in the job of convincing people of whether or not I buy gil. If anyone has ever played my two accounts and seen my mules (Legions of them) and the 6 digit gil each of them has, then they can see that their accusations have been false. But I don't trust people enough to do something stupid like that :x