Where does the most new Gil come from?

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

I read an interesting little tid bit last time SE included crafters in thier census thing. Someone too the time to total up how many people leveled cloth craft to 60, and assumed that 10% of those used green ribons, and that 10% of those sold the ribons back to NPCs to recover cost. Across all servers the math came out to something like 30million gil generated by NPCs.

Considering that for the longest time the silk road was the easiest way to skill up (because of farming availability of silk threads), and some people still swear by it, I'd say its a relatively intersting set of numbers even if they are assumed.

Especially when you consider other crafts, at other levels, all added together.

I really wish that SE had included crafting information in the last census ;_;

[Irisjir Callard]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

I read an interesting little tid bit last time SE included crafters in thier census thing. Someone too the time to total up how many people leveled cloth craft to 60, and assumed that 10% of those used green ribons, and that 10% of those sold the ribons back to NPCs to recover cost. Across all servers the math came out to something like 30million gil generated by NPCs.

Considering that for the longest time the silk road was the easiest way to skill up (because of farming availability of silk threads), and some people still swear by it, I'd say its a relatively intersting set of numbers even if they are assumed.

Especially when you consider other crafts, at other levels, all added together.

I really wish that SE had included crafting information in the last census ;_;

1. that's an absolutely perfect example of my point with the beastmen...many little tidbits adding up to massive amounts of gil.

2. I don't know why they didn't, I'd like to have a look at that information myself.

[Tirrock]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

Most of the gil added into the game probably comes from people NPCing random items and/or monsters dropping gil. Small amounts, but I know I've made more pure gil that way than through all my quests, missions, and BC/KS/ENMs combined.

I guess some synths rank up there. Firesand and Tsura (or whatever that ninja tool is) were crafted and NPCed for gil, although I don't know if it's still profitable. Rusty caps were massive gil. I almost want to dig up a screenshot of rabao before they changed the prices of the cleaned up rusty caps, but I'm too lazy to search my DVDs for it.

There used to be 100+ people sitting in rabao, fishing. Most weren't even at their keyboard. Light clusters were going for 20k back when a vermillion cloak was worth 2m (to give you an idea of how much 20k was worth back then). Then one day SE got tired of it and adjusted the price of the item, and all the fishbots in rabao went away.

There was also something involving barone pants from a tavnazian NPC. Buying it for something insane like 4m and being able to sell it to the same NPC for even more money. Although I don't know how much gil that added into the game, since apparently the people abusing that got caught.

[Theyaden]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

I remember that. I don't believe it was exploit to bring gil in, but an easy way to get beastcoins with the new spawn rules.

It was an exploit mixed with a cheat program. Thf would steal from the mob and run to the zone. The mob would depop and imediatly re-apear at it's start point. The same thief would walk up and steel again netting a 2nd coin from the same monster. The cheat part was a program that reset the timers on the characters job abilities allowing steal to be used again without waiting.
The patch SE performed made it so the mob would still be missing the beastcoin until it was killed forcing it's normal respawn time instead of instantly comming back which happens when depoped through the MPK patch. This was one of the ways gilsellers were able to get so much gill in preperation for the Christmas gil sale that sent prices through the roof for a short time.

[Kaickul]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

1. that's an absolutely perfect example of my point with the beastmen...many little tidbits adding up to massive amounts of gil.

Something you should consider taking into account here. Yes beastmen, coffers, npcs, quests, and so forth do contribute gil into the system. What you are not taking into account is gil that is destroyed/nulled/removed from the system.

SE has removed huge amounts of gil from each server twice this year and will most likely repeat this before the year is out.

People return gil to NPCs through Chocobos, taxes, listing fees, travel fees, etc. (A good example of SE sliding this under peoples noses is Sis Kebabi vendor that people are going crazy over. That takes 2k per Kebabi out of the economy right there.)

Also... players quitting with gil. Happens all the time. If a player leaves the game with 500k in gil and doesnt give it out... thats a fair amount of gil removed for that person. This also applies to recent bannings of players who use exploits. I knew a few of these people had well over 100 million gil from their various good times. Not only did a cheater get banned... in some instances entire LS banks were wiped out.

[Icemage]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

There've been other gil-removers added over time too. Dynamis costs 1,000,000 gil to purchase a timeless hourglass per trip. Limbus requires a 50,000 gil fee per player. The desynthesis recipe using Vir Subligar (to obtain cashmere wool or shining cloth) costs 7 million per attempt.

Overall the economy seems to be deflating - from what I can tell, prices are coming back down to where they were about two years ago.


Icemage

[Rai]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

where does new gil come from? in the past it came from things such as padded caps, rusty caps could be fished up and a rusty cap + a light crystal got you a padded cap which sold to vendors for really good gil, there are numerous other fish in the past that would be NPC'd.

Over time fishing bots have introduced a great deal of gil into the economies of all the servers.

Another source has been bugs I recall after CoP came out there was an NPC that would buy back an item for more gil then another NPC sold it for or some such thing. When these bugs are discovered there is a vast network of people waiting to exploit them.

There has also been duping, I know for a fact duping has teken place in game. A LS I was in had several members who figured out how to dupe and they maxed gil on their characters and gave away 100s of millions of gil to people. I got the heck out of that LS because I knew they would get caught and sure enough they did and were banned. But I am also sure some people who were given 10s if not 100s of millions of gil got away with it.

[Irisjir Callard]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

Well, it's impossible to have a perfectly balanced economy, but net drifter mentioned a few ways of siphoning the gil back out. I'd completely overlooked dynamisis and limbus though...

Anycase, there's still a huge backlog of gil floating around in RMT pockets. I expct there will be another economy crash around christmas gil sale time.

With luck, though, it won't be anywhere near as bad last year, since this year they only have a few months to prepare for it.

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

If we really lucky, SE will ban accounts in like late oct. or early nov. isntead of feb./mar. It would be amusing, at least.

I wouldn't mind seeing NM's poped with gilsinks, too. It might be interesting to a few high-ticket items drop of 1mil force pop mobs. Major gil sink = help economy, and encourages gil to stay in circulation by selling drops and the like.

In fact, I might post that in a question to SE.

[Balfree]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

The Step by Step guide to: "Best Way To Make Gil"

1. Open your eyes.
2. Adapt.
3. Analyze the market.
4. Expect 0 income, dont expect millions in minutes.
5. Travel, experience, get-to-know.

This game is dynamical, it changes with time, today something might be worth it, tomorrow it might not.

[Irisjir Callard]

Re: Where does the most new Gil come from?

The Step by Step guide to: "Best Way To Make Gil"

1. Open your eyes.
2. Adapt.
3. Analyze the market.
4. Expect 0 income, dont expect millions in minutes.
5. Travel, experience, get-to-know.

This game is dynamical, it changes with time, today something might be worth it, tomorrow it might not.

Heck I used to make small fortunes selling couerl whiskers.

They've dropped to like a tenth of their old price though. Ever since I've been bobbing around looking for something decent to farm/craft.

Midgard seems to be experiencing an economywide depression though.