Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

[eticket109]

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Windower + higher resolution screen capture + screen capture with text

doesn't matter too much with me anyways, already using Fraps.

yeah... I forgot that in my original post.

is it that much of a criminal action to want to take screenshots of cutscenes?

I can't understand why that was never implemented.

[Herrisa]

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I have to agree with Grizzlebeard. Make excuses all you want, but every time you log into the game you agree to the ToS and the ToS states that 3rd-party software is illegal. Crying about it won't change the fact that using Windower is breaking the ToS, no matter if all you're doing is using it for checking the internet.

SE themselves probably don't mind Windower (they're not sending cease and desist letters to the creators anyway), it's all the people out there that are using it to cheat and hack their way through the game that they mind. Those are the people that you should be complaining about ruining it, not SE cracking down on people who do.

At least, though, this would explain that odd near-d/c experience I had last night. All I can say is scan all you want SE, I have nothing to hide. Windower-free since I started.

[Zamphire]

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Umm... while playing this game, I can't watch other stuff on the tv, or listen to music
on my tv. You can't talk to friends on the phone while you play? Oh wait, you said
if they wouldn't let me watch another tv. To do that I would have to have another
tv right beside the tv I play on. Is that not the same as having another PC to look
things up on?

So I suppose my answer to your question is no, it wouldn't bother me.

I wouldn't tell anyone to go out and spend more money just so they can look stuff up.
I had to stop playing (that's right) to look stuff up on computer for long time. My
computer was in a different room. Then I got an old laptop so I could look stuff up
while I played.

My PC is my communication between me and my freinds, it is also my main source of entertainment for movies, anime, and tv shows. So SE, is more or less telling me I can't talk to my friends and I can't watch movies.

Also, a TV is what? $49.99 for a 12"? The cheapest computer is $499.99.

[Maju]

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Can you explain to me how exactly warp hacks hurt you? An NM claim hack would, they incorpate warping sometimes, but just mearly warping from the zone line of West Ron to La Thein doesn't hurt anyone.

It doesn't hurt anyone directly, but it gives you a direct and unfair advantage over other players. None of the supported windower plugins lets you do something you wouldn't be able to do without it. They only give you more convenient ways to access information such as the TP of other party members. To me it is information that the UI should provide without third party software. Unfortunately SE miserably failed in their UI design. It's about as PT unfriendly as it can be, which is kinda sad considering FFXI is a very heavily PT based game.

Another rather incredible design flaw is the lack of cooldown information in the UI. The only way to know when a spell or ability is ready to be cast/used again is to use the /recast command (which wasn't even in the game from the beginning) or by opening the spell/ability list and for obvious reasons you'll want to use macros instead. Just imagine if you would have to open your spell book in WoW in order to see what abilities are ready for use. This problem has also been solved by non-harmful third party software. These people are actually helping SE fix their game closer to today's standards and SE just shoots them down.

Also, as a FFXI the Windower is very much a necessity for me. I would simply find myself bored to tears doing nothing for hours if I couldn't browse the web of whatever while I wait. And waiting is what you do the most in FFXI.

[eticket109]

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At least, though, this would explain that odd near-d/c experience I had last night. All I can say is scan all you want SE, I have nothing to hide. Windower-free since I started.

they can't detect an unmodified instance of the windower program anyway.

someone walking thru a wall or popping across a zone seems like it may set off an alarm or two.

[Davitron3000]

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Zamphire - I am not necessarily against Windower, and I think it sucks that without
using it, people can't do other stuff on their computer. Like I said in an earlier post, I
don't understand much about it because I play on PS2. That is why I asked earlier if it
makes hacking easier, and I would be against its use if it makes it easier for people to
cheat/hack. I was not trying to attack you earlier, but honestly, it is hard for me to
be sympathetic with you not being able to use Windower and look up stuff when you
were banned for cheating/hacking while using Windower.

Regarding the prices of computers, I lucked out and got an old laptop from a friend
for free that they weren't using. Before that, I had to stop playing, walk in another
room and look stuff up, or print out what I needed before hand.

edit: I also wanted to add this: Is there confirmed banning/suspensions for using just
Windower?

[Omniblast]

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I forgot to mention, I would also like to see recast timers of everything that I've used that was cast. Zerocast is a godly tool that a programmer developed to tell you what your recast timer is. If they banned that I'd be a sad sad pandataru.

Also, is Wait0 banned as well or just speed, warping hacks?
Also, does this banning affect people that use the windows clock to modify their speed?

[Zamphire]

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It doesn't hurt anyone directly, but it gives you a direct and unfair advantage over other players. None of the supported windower plugins lets you do something you wouldn't be able to do without it. They only give you more convenient ways to access information such as the TP of other party members. To me it is information that the UI should provide without third party software. Unfortunately SE miserably failed in their UI design. It's about as PT unfriendly as it can be, which is kinda sad considering FFXI is a very heavily PT based game.

Another rather incredible design flaw is the lack of cooldown information in the UI. The only way to know when a spell or ability is ready to be cast/used again is to use the /recast command (which wasn't even in the game from the beginning) or by opening the spell/ability list and for obvious reasons you'll want to use macros instead. Just imagine if you would have to open your spell book in WoW in order to see what abilities are ready for use. This problem has also been solved by non-harmful third party software. These people are actually helping SE fix their game closer to today's standards and SE just shoots them down.

I admit, windower is a great program. After today, I wont be uding anything but the windower. SE Failed BIG time with transfering it over to the PC, so much that I even use a ps2 controlled on my PC because the UI sucks so badly.

[eticket109]

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Also, does this banning affect people that use the windows clock to modify their speed?

People who do that have been randomly banned off and on once they've been reported.

[Zamphire]

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Zamphire - I am not necessarily against Windower, and I think it sucks that without
using it, people can't do other stuff on their computer. Like I said in an earlier post, I
don't understand much about it because I play on PS2. That is why I asked earlier if it
makes hacking easier, and I would be against its use if it makes it easier for people to
cheat/hack. I was not trying to attack you earlier, but honestly, it is hard for me to
be sympathetic with you not being able to use Windower and look up stuff when you
were banned for cheating/hacking while using Windower.

Regarding the prices of computers, I lucked out and got an old laptop from a friend
for free that they weren't using. Before that, I had to stop playing, walk in another
room and look stuff up, or print out what I needed before hand.

Sucked didn't it? I bet if it was possible to go on websites with your PS2 you'd want to be able to veiw websites while playing the game wouldn't you?

I am no argueing at all against the use of hacks and bots, they are wrong, I know. I was banned and I deserved it, I'm argueing for the windower.

Double Post Edited:

Also, is Wait0 banned as well or just speed, warping hacks?

0Wait really doesn't do anything harmful to the game, it just cuts out the wait time between looking at yor delivery box, looking at sold items on AH, and cuts down wait time between synth. But yes, technically it's banned because it's a 3rd party program, but I think it's harder to detect.

Also, does this banning affect people that use the windows clock to modify their speed?

I would assume so, as this is cheating as well.

[Aeolus]

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yeah... I forgot that in my original post.

is it that much of a criminal action to want to take screenshots of cutscenes?

I can't understand why that was never implemented.

There is a ingame function to capture screenshots?

[Zamphire]

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There is a ingame function to capture screenshots?

You can't do this as of right now with an unmodified game. If you use the windower you can.

[WishMaster3K]

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Well the game was designed from the ground up to run on the PS2, and that includes memory limitations and even controls. Honestly, I love the way FFXI controls as opposed to other MMOs.

Moving on:

Actually the windower plugins do indeed alow you to cheat. It's true when Cliff originally made the windower he said that he would keep it from doing things like sending movement and stuff that would alow you to automate stuff with the windower. He never allowed that. BUT, there's a file called WindowerHelper.dll that he didn't write, that will alow you to write plugins that will do ANYTHING through the windower, there is also a plugin called Lunar that alows you to write script in the Luna language and run it through a windower plug in.

Zamphire has established he's well versed in the third-party world of MMOs, so I'm gonna take his word for it. This goes hand-in-hand with:

Windower by itself is not a malicious tool by any means, however as others have shown, it can open the door so to speak to the use of some really nasty stuff.

Oh and responding to:

How about when you're skilling up synthing.
You gain a level in your craft.
Or the element day changes.
Or the moon phase changes.
Or you need to check to see which synthesis image support you need.
Time is critical, as the most beneficial time to synth is slipping away.

Duh, write it down or print it out. I personally know which direction to face based on my crystal, which moon phase affects my synth and what day affects my synth. It's not hard to plug in a few mental numbers and do it. Those online calculators are for people that failed 9th grade Trigonometry.

And come on, who DOESN'T get the synth support you need to pay like 120 gil for? That's a no-brainer....

[Mhurron]

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So SE, is more or less telling me I can't talk to my friends and I can't watch movies.

What part of you agreed to that do you not understand? You agree to have FFXI run fullscreen every time you launch the game, SE neither told you you can not use your computer nor are they forcing you to play.

You have to love it when SE bans people over things like this. Cheaters come out of the woodwork to validate their actions with some sort of twisted moral argument.

[Murphie]

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There is a ingame function to capture screenshots?

Yes. It just sucks.