Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

[Mazon]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

How about when you're skilling up synthing.
You gain a level in your craft.
Or the element day changes.
Or the moon phase changes.
Or you need to check to see which synthesis image support you need.
Time is critical, as the most beneficial time to synth is slipping away.

That's when I use windower. Because I'm chained to the PC and taking that extra 2-4 minutes to log off > Craft Timer > log on is blowing me crafting session.

For all other uses though, Windower might as well not exist.
When I sit down to play FFXI. It's to play. Bored LFP, I get to synthing, farming, questing, or cleaning the house, cooking breakfast/lunch/dinner, laundry, garbage, TV. No excuse for being bored LFP.

Edit: And for those who would say get it on PS2 or Xbox.

PS2: I hate the system with a passion. Sold mine long ago after it sat collecting dust because it offered me nothing in the way of entertainment.

Xbox 360. I'm not spending $480.00 USD so that I can use my computer.

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

ToS hasn't changed since day one. You accept the rules when you play the game regardless of how stupid they seem. I'm a PC user and there are many times I'd have liked to use Windower but I refrained from using it and other more malicious tools in order to play.

Actually, the ToS has changed about every other month or so. It changes alot.

[Murphie]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Actually, the ToS has changed about every other month or so. It changes alot.

Perhaps, but not the part about using 3rd party programs.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Actually, the ToS has changed about every other month or so. It changes alot.

I was referring to the use of Windowers and Third Party Tools. Didn't think that needed clarifying though.

[Davitron3000]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

And it actually is FAR from reasonable. I spend $1,000 dollars on a computer that's capabale of running FFXI 3-4 times over, I paid $80(FFXI, CoP, and ToaU) bucks for the software, and an aditional $12.95 a month to play the game. Not only do you want to make my $1,000 machine useable ONLY by your game that I pay do play,,you want me to go out, buy a PS2, ($159.99 that they do not make anymore), plus buy the original FFXI (Which they do not make, $99.99), and each of the expansions $29.99 an expansion just so I can use my $1,000 dollar computer for something other than this game.

That's not unreasonable?

It is hard for me to see your point here. No one is making you play the game,
regardless of what else you can do on your computer while you are playing it.
Also, I hate to point this out but...

I was banned too, but I dont think it was for using the windower, I think that was just what they said it was for. I was personally using POS (warp tool) to warp between zones quicker on my low level jobs, so I'm sure this is what happened.

Maybe if people didn't do things like using warp hacks, Windower wouldn't be a problem.
Just sayin'

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

You said what you said, I was just correcting you.

Also, I've read somewhere that a few months back, the ToS was changed basically to allow 3rd party programs as long as the user is at the keyboard. But I'm at work and playonline.com is banned so I can't read the ToS. But I'm sure this was bullshit.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Also, I've read somewhere that a few months back, the ToS was changed basically to allow 3rd party programs as long as the user is at the keyboard. But I'm at work and playonline.com is banned so I can't read the ToS. But I'm sure this was bullshit.

Let's just say you could grow roses in that rumour.

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Maybe if people didn't do things like using warp hacks, Windower wouldn't be a problem.
Just sayin'

Can you explain to me how exactly warp hacks hurt you? An NM claim hack would, they incorpate warping sometimes, but just mearly warping from the zone line of West Ron to La Thein doesn't hurt anyone.

Also, it's always going to be this way, someone will always take advantage of things. Yes, I was wrong, yes I shouldn't have been using them. And I wont be anymore.

So you're saying, if you bought your PS2 for $500 bucks, and installed FF on it for another $100 and then you were told, while playing this game, you can not listen to music, watch another tv, or talk to your friend on the phone this wouldn't bother you?

[Ryddr]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

You said what you said, I was just correcting you.

Also, I've read somewhere that a few months back, the ToS was changed basically to allow 3rd party programs as long as the user is at the keyboard. But I'm at work and playonline.com is banned so I can't read the ToS. But I'm sure this was bullshit.

I recall a time when fish botting was legal as long as the player was sitting at his/her computer. I'm pretty sure that it was changed though and botting and 3rd Party use of any sort is now against ToS. While SE's policies change quite a bit, they remain fairly straight-forward. There's no reason that someone should break the ToS after accepting it even after changes are made to it. Whenever SE makes a large change, they let everyone know in some way and if a person manages to miss that notice, his/her friends in-game will most likely be buzzing with the information.

[eticket109]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Originally there was no windowed mode implemented in FF:XI because the developers wanted everyone to have the same experience. Since the pc version is essentially a port of the PS2 version, it was never really part of the design anyway. The funny thing is, the equal playing field they mention can easily put a ps2 player at an advantage. When I first started playing, I was on a ps2 and it was easy for me to pull up maps and guides ect on my computer that was right next to my tv. Unless they have two computers, a non-windowed PC player is unable to do this as easily, as most people do not have multiple computers on the same desk or even in the same room.

When I moved to pc, I would get regularly bumped offline in fullscreen mode by any background error messages or firewall and virus scan alerts. Sure, SE recommends killing any background apps, but I never saw a benefit in putting my pc at risk to do so. Thus, I started to use the windower program. If SE ever decided to enable a windowed mode then I would think that at least 75% of the player population that uses the windower program would stop using it.

Windower by itself is not a malicious tool by any means, however as others have shown, it can open the door so to speak to the use of some really nasty stuff.

[Xilo]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

In the original EverQuest, there was no windowed mode for the longest time nor could you alt+tab out of the game. Similarly to FFXI, there was the EverQuest Windower program to let you run the game in windowed mode. But, Sony eventually wised up and implemented it's own builtin window mode so you wouldn't have to use the program. This also carried over to EverQuest 2.

EverQuest also had the largest hacks I've ever seen for a pay to play MMO game. There was MacroQuest. You could do pretty much anything with it. It had a very complex system macroing system. You could even use it list all monsters in a zone, and target them from anywhere in the zone. There was a map program that would give you a graphical display of where everything is in the zone (both monsters and players). There were speed hacks, fly hacks, warp hacks, etc. Yet, they still gave the users windowed mode.

Now, why can't SE wise up and do the same?

[Zamphire]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

In the original EverQuest, there was no windowed mode for the longest time nor could you alt+tab out of the game. Similarly to FFXI, there was the EverQuest Windower program to let you run the game in windowed mode. But, Sony eventually wised up and implemented it's own builtin window mode so you wouldn't have to use the program. This also carried over to EverQuest 2.

EverQuest also had the largest hacks I've ever seen for a pay to play MMO game. There was MacroQuest. You could do pretty much anything with it. It had a very complex system macroing system. You could even use it list all monsters in a zone, and target them from anywhere in the zone. There was a map program that would give you a graphical display of where everything is in the zone (both monsters and players). There were speed hacks, fly hacks, warp hacks, etc. Yet, they still gave the users windowed mode.

Now, why can't SE wise up and do the same?

*dreamy sigh* MacroQuest was such an awsome program. I could unlock a chest from the zone line lol.

[eticket109]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

In the original EverQuest, there was no windowed mode for the longest time nor could you alt+tab out of the game. Similarly to FFXI, there was the EverQuest Windower program to let you run the game in windowed mode. But, Sony eventually wised up and implemented it's own builtin window mode so you wouldn't have to use the program. This also carried over to EverQuest 2.

EverQuest also had the largest hacks I've ever seen for a pay to play MMO game. There was MacroQuest. You could do pretty much anything with it. It had a very complex system macroing system. You could even use it list all monsters in a zone, and target them from anywhere in the zone. There was a map program that would give you a graphical display of where everything is in the zone (both monsters and players). There were speed hacks, fly hacks, warp hacks, etc. Yet, they still gave the users windowed mode.

Now, why can't SE wise up and do the same?

SE gets it right sometimes, it just takes them a looooooong time to do so.

[Omniblast]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Could we maybe start a petition for SE to add a windower to the game? Think it would work?

Windower + higher resolution screen capture + screen capture with text

doesn't matter too much with me anyways, already using Fraps.

[Davitron3000]

Re: Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

Can you explain to me how exactly warp hacks hurt you? An NM claim hack would, they incorpate warping sometimes, but just mearly warping from the zone line of West Ron to La Thein doesn't hurt anyone.

Your right it doesn't hurt me, but it is cheating. No need to do it really when you can
run just like me. (I never said it hurt me, I just said that maybe stuff like that is why
they would not want people to use windower)

So you're saying, if you bought your PS2 for $500 bucks, and installed FF on it for another $100 and then you were told, while playing this game, you can not listen to music, watch another tv, or talk to your friend on the phone this wouldn't bother you?

Umm... while playing this game, I can't watch other stuff on the tv, or listen to music
on my tv. You can't talk to friends on the phone while you play? Oh wait, you said
if they wouldn't let me watch another tv. To do that I would have to have another
tv right beside the tv I play on. Is that not the same as having another PC to look
things up on?

So I suppose my answer to your question is no, it wouldn't bother me.

I wouldn't tell anyone to go out and spend more money just so they can look stuff up.
I had to stop playing (that's right) to look stuff up on computer for long time. My
computer was in a different room. Then I got an old laptop so I could look stuff up
while I played.