Sooooo 2k accounts suspended....

[Macht]

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But.. see.. some people in drive-bys are using top-secret satellite imagery and GPS to detect and track down the victim, attaching nitro to their car, and creating an army of bots that shoot anything resembling the victim...

Like I said.. Windower isn't the problem... it's the hacks that use it to cheat that are the problem. Windower is just the messenger, so we're shooting it.

If in responce to what I posted, still updating it. The windower debate has a LOT discussed that I've already seen, so give me time to compose it all.

As you see a 5th debate was recently placed in.

[Mazon]

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I seem to recall a trojan virus that affected your computer the moment it went live on a highspeed internet connection. No open browser, no application accessing the internet, simply having your computer on a constant high speed connection made you vulnerable.

So yeah. Turning off Antivirus, could be a problem for people.

[ikkleste]

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Yeah, so much posted about the windower. Everything posted in support of windower is nothing new, all of it has been debated. Logic in the debate that is excluded is the fairness.

Debate 1: Why can I window if PS2 player can use the PC next to them
Flaw: Not every PS2 player has a PC next to them, only a few do.

Debate 2: Why am I going to buy a PS2 and FFXI when I have a $1,000+ PC that can run FFXI already. It's just that stupid non-windower crap that stops me.
Flaw: Debate 1, PS2 player using the PC next to them has already done what you are resistant to do. Logic failed.

Debate 3: Did SE really think doing full screen only would stop hacks? Well they failed at that, give us the damn window mode!
Flaw: SE did not do it to stop hacks, design was made with the intent of having as little versioning as possible. PS2 doesn't window it's full screen, the logic of it stopping hacks was a player created logic not the developers.

Debate 4: I use my computer for movies, tv shows, instant messenger, etc.. you telling me I can't while playing?
Rebuttle: Debate 1 & Debate 2, People who are using a PS2 depending on setup are likely to not be able to watch TV or a Movie. The PS2 itself doesn't use any outside instant messaging function (Closest it currently has is the "Friend List Plus" you can access from their website). In all essence it is a very equal playfield.

Now because a person using PC can simply get a cheap dumb terminal to handle tasks as websurfing or IMs with friends, and PS2 can do that same this is still quite an even play field. The mudding comes in the in-between areas were a PC user could get out of having another system for porting off websurfing and IMs, by housing on the same system.

I personally wouldn't recommend that because making 1 computer do so much is a heavy load for a single system to be handling. Aside from that a second system provides better network options to segment your speed to make sure the game information has priority. It doesn't matter if your PC itself can run FFXI 3-4 times over, the fact of the matter is your connection will not handle it as effeciently with that many being loaded on a single half-duplex connection.

For purety of not only the game performance running on the system running nothing else also assures game latency to be lower which is also another addition to it's performance. Also turning off Virus Scan is only risky if you have other programs accessing the internet such as email. If you have no other program running at the time you are safe to disable Virus Scan. Virus Scan doesn't prevent a person from hacking your system, that is taken care of by NAT routers, firewalls, proxies, and other additional connection restrictions you place in the router.

As long as you are not starting up any other programs, have any others running, or have used untrustworthy 3rd party programs after temporarily disabling the Virus Scan there should be no risk of starting up FFXI alone. Just make habit to enable the Virus Scan after or to shutdown the system (Shutdown is a good one in that any other programs you may of stopped will startup on their own when you start the system as well as Virus Scan being enabled again).

I have to say i completely disagree.... While SE's official line might of been that it's to make the versions the same, i simply don't belive it.

Also note that if they wanted to avoid 'versionality' then the 360 version should be identical to the PS2 version.
I also belive they have access to the their console while playing. Allowing them to change music, IM friends, etc? Why is a 360 player allowed this utility but i'm not?

[Zamphire]

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This is starting to piss me off. All I want to know is whether I'm permabanned or temp banned, if I'm permabanned I need to cancle my account.

[neighbortaru]

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afaik, if you're perma banned, your account is automatically cancelled.

btw, if you got the LM-11 code, i think you're perma banned.

[Macht]

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I seem to recall a trojan virus that affected your computer the moment it went live on a highspeed internet connection. No open browser, no application accessing the internet, simply having your computer on a constant high speed connection made you vulnerable.

So yeah. Turning off Antivirus, could be a problem for people.

It only works if the file is already on your system, regular full scans at least 1 time a week like you should be doing anyway would catch that. Heck as long as the Virus Scan definition is up to date that type of virus would have to load something to tell it startup the trojan before it ever even went live on a highspeed internet. Virus Scan should catch those as well during the normal startup process.

[Feba]

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some people in drive-bys are using top-secret satellite imagery and GPS to detect and track down the victim, attaching nitro to their car, and creating an army of bots that shoot anything resembling the victim...

Um, that's not the case at all. Windower DOES NOT make hacking easier by existing, just as cars don't make guns easier.

You're tossing in a third comparison, but it's to something that doesn't exist. The hacking was the guns, not something that wasn't in the original metaphor.

Debate 1: Why can I window if PS2 player can use the PC next to them
Flaw: Not every PS2 player has a PC next to them, only a few do.

Debate 2: Why am I going to buy a PS2 and FFXI when I have a $1,000+ PC that can run FFXI already. It's just that stupid non-windower crap that stops me.
Flaw: Debate 1, PS2 player using the PC next to them has already done what you are resistant to do. Logic failed.

Debate 3: Did SE really think doing full screen only would stop hacks? Well they failed at that, give us the damn window mode!
Flaw: SE did not do it to stop hacks, design was made with the intent of having as little versioning as possible. PS2 doesn't window it's full screen, the logic of it stopping hacks was a player created logic not the developers.

Debate 4: I use my computer for movies, tv shows, instant messenger, etc.. you telling me I can't while playing?
Rebuttle: Debate 1 & Debate 2, People who are using a PS2 depending on setup are likely to not be able to watch TV or a Movie. The PS2 itself doesn't use any outside instant messaging function (Closest it currently has is the "Friend List Plus" you can access from their website). In all essence it is a very equal playfield.

All of these are flawed.

In debate 1, Not every PS2 player has their PC next to them, yes, but that is irrelevant. The case in point is using your current system to it's fullest ability, while not breaking the rules of the game. PS2 can't switch programs while it is being used, nor can it browse the web, or do anything else while it is running a game. PCs can do these things while running a game, and they do with most.

Debate 2, PS2 players are not required to buy a PC to get the most out of their hardware, nor is their current hardware restricted by unneeded means, such as not being able to switch the channel on their TV without disconnecting.

Debate 3 is irrelevant, it's already been shown that it is not hard at all to make a simple hook that allows you to ALT+TAB in ffxi without losing full screen mode (and disconnecting), and SE could even just repackage Archbell's windower if they wanted. Not to mention they probably already have a windower for their GMs to use, to help them balance their work. The only reasons remaining for keeping it in full screen mode are stubborness, and keeping people from using the windows clock to speed hack (due to SE's crummy programming)

Debate 4, no, it is NOT equal, because PS2 can't do those by default, as stated in debate 1. If PS2 could play CDs and DVDs with a game in, then yes, it would be silly to not allow FFXI to. However, as it is, PS2 does not have the ability to do that for ANY game, whereas PC not only can, but is used by most other games.

Sorrt macht, but your flaws are flawed.

[ikkleste]

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But.. see.. some people in drive-bys are using top-secret satellite imagery and GPS to detect and track down the victim, attaching nitro to their car, and creating an army of bots that shoot anything resembling the victim...

Like I said.. Windower isn't the problem... it's the hacks that use it to cheat that are the problem. Windower is just the messenger, so we're shooting it.

but if you could eradicate cars alltogether they'd still have GPS, have a jetpack instead of a nitro and still have an army of bots. Eradicateing the car stops nothing.

Infact i'd argue that in this case, the fact people in town are smuggling cars in anyway (just to drive, not to go shoot people) that they are often tempted to sneak in a quarter of weed at the same time (you know the stuff that doesn't adversly affect anyone else). If you made cars legal, they wouldn't even think about contacting a dealer, they'd drive happily and never touch the evil weed.

[Zamphire]

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That's the message I'm getting.

[soonk]

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how long on hold now? like 1hr30min? heh... ot: how do i change this shit under my name? noone pwned me...

[Feba]

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Debate 5: How is Windower unfair?
Rebuttle: The older windower were all it did was window the program was not that unfair. The newer windower when a person can have a minimap, see everyones TP, see recast times consistantly, and all those other plug-ins is giving that person a unfair advantage. This also makes steps that are really bad when in the hands of a elitest player, they will attempt to micro manage the group creating iritation and ill-will among the party members. Outside of that adds another dimension were players can be ostracized, even though their play statedgy may be excellent and is acomplishing the party's needs if it isn't follow what the elitest expects it can get a player outed from the party for very stupid reasons.

Ok, first of all, if you don't know anything about a subject, do not degrade it. Windower does *not* allow people to see a minimap, nor recast timers (with the exception of a very recent plugin, which only shows 5 or 6 timers out of the entire game)

Secondly, the addition of plugins is not about windower. It is about extra programs which are incorporated into the windower interface. Bringing plugins into a debate on windowers is like bringing silencers into a debate on guns, it's related, but it's not the issue being discussed.

Third, the abuse of a program by people who would be acting like that anyway is not the fault of the windower. It's the fault of the person using it. Just like an employee using a security camera to look down a woman's shirt isn't the fault of the camera, but the fault of the employee.

[dirtyclown]

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Ahh... The ever elusive ass.

This wins the topic. Expect delivery of one free internet within the next two to three weeks.

I'm installing the PC version of FFXI right now, and was debating on getting the windower or not. I started playing on PC back when the game was first released, but never opted to use the windower when it became available. I've been wanting to use it for awhile now, just to see the different plugins available. That and I'm sick of playing it on the PS2.

[Herrisa]

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If in responce to what I posted, still updating it. The windower debate has a LOT discussed that I've already seen, so give me time to compose it all.

As you see a 5th debate was recently placed in.

Actually, I think I'm on your side of the issue. ^^ This was a response to the car analogy posted above your response.

[Zamphire]

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how long on hold now? like 1hr30min? heh... ot: how do i change this shit under my name? noone pwned me...

Well, after an hour and 43min wait I finally got ahold of someone. What'd they tell me? We cannot talk about suspensions in chat, please call (858)790-7529 which had been busy for the past hour >.> So still havnt gotton anywhere.

[neighbortaru]

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that's a temp ban zamphire