Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

I have sufficient evidence. Endgame people know the RMT and can track them, a point you fail to comprehend since NO ONE is argueing with that part of the list.

[DakAttack]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

Feba just couldn't kick his trolling habits.

[RunningDemon]

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And with this latest round of repetition past us, I am gonna go to sleep. Will respond tomorrow afternoon.

[Tatha-Kitten]

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i'm going to make a few quotations now, of your recent exploits with no proof, as taken directly from your list. Note, they are only posts made by YOU, and not other people, though there are a few who's evidence doesn't look like evidence to me.

they are in reverse order, starting with the most recent. i will also give a link to the psot the lack of evidence was found (or not as the case may be) in.

Yesterday, 10:48 PM Link to post -

New RMT: Lgirry, Sejnus

though i applaud your taking time to post the conversation with Yaknor, you failed completely to give evidence of the two new RMT.

Yesterday, 9:27 PM Link to post -

Some new galka RMT NIN, Pristinepup? (sp) is being PLed along in normal PTs by Maurrine as I found while leveling my THF today. Tell your friends and ruin their PTs and keep a look out to warn those who decide to PT with him.

absolutely no proof given at all. bravo.

07-02-2006, 05:15 AM Link to post -

Let's see, RMT at behemoth today:

Toobooo
Rulers
Edisen
Scroiilock
Gimya
Magicangel
Huullahaha
Bingxin
Yuyminmin

Double Post Edited:
Anlisa too

Double Post Edited:
Jackson too

Double Post Edited:
Heroe
Hainan

Double Post Edited:
Smallbeauty

Double Post Edited:
Was a busy Behie night, let me get some more names. No RMT claim though^^

Was NQ anyway :p

again! no evidence of said incident or of supposed RMT.

05-31-2006, 12:08 AM Link to post -

I talked to Knivesout, will update list tomorrow. Looks legit, the guy is an idiot. He couldn't even understand that I was not accusing him of gil buying or selling, and that I was just putting him on a list for helping GS.

this evidence was never posted. (this was your response to This post . agreed Danicus provided a screenshot, but you failed to prove you talked to him as you said you had.

and from there it is mostly other people posting, however, if you linked the posts to the names on the list, it would probably help your case as far as proof goes, alot of people don't read the entire thread and would miss those you have 'fairly' accused. Although some of the shots people have posted are not worth the time it took to make them.

[Feba]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

You have made no new points. You have refused to budge and been yelled at by admins for various reasons.

As said before, "Hey Pot".



And I suppose I am a troll, in some respects. People calling me troll are hypocrites though, so it doesn't really matter. Troll is a matter of perspective, in most cases. RD could be considered a troll. It's all dependant on who's doing the judging, just like the list.


Sorry for not keeping up on this thread, I went to see a movie. I'll keep watching from this point though. Won't respond to RD unless he makes a new point, however.

[Shopee]

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Add Susanly.

Last time I saw her (last week) she was in Beadeaux. Three days ago she was in Castle O. Now she's back in Beadeaux.

Post 4

Whited out Pictures as evidence

Post 9

Also Matolo, Darkboy and, Dorran are in the ls "Special" or something like that, pretty sure thats right though.

Post 38

"Submitting Amikk as a gilseller suspect.

Saw him/her in the B.Glacier with Joyfullbamboo, Agarok, Dashoubil, and Maogel. It appeared that everyone was auto following Agarok, including Amikk.

They also had a new LS, neon sky blue in color, name FriendsOfVanadiel."

Post 53

The following were being PL'd by the known gil seller Chomy. 6 ppl in a pt w/o LS, except Bonri (UzamakiClan) 3 mithra thfs in COMPLETELY identical gear, and a elvaan nin along with 2 blm including Bonri

Thfs:
Byutsu
Nakee
Katkoya

Blms:
Bonri
Shohalu

Nin:
Ovila

lvling in Kuftal Tunnel btw @ 1:15 PM EST

Accuser: Podo and Eruantalon

Side Note: They're like ants rebuilding an ant hill, you can kick it over, they'll rebuild it again, but you can just kick it over again.

EDIT: Also, Alim now has a new LS named LegendaryFigure

Post 89

"Sorry to say here's another bunch of sellers, this time spotted around level 20 a week ago in Qufim being PLed by Baimii

Elizbeth
Cathleen
Bienda
Bartholomew
Desmond

The other name my scrawl at the time has made unreadable looks like Eco but would need validating.

No LS all rank 1, all 3 mages in level 1 RSE, tanks / DDs in odds and sods of armour."

Post 90

"I'd also like to say that Junyi, Dalong, and Lanfei were all party of an GSLS called Chinalliance. I'm not sure if still exists or not, but its addition to the list couldn't hurt.
(The 3 attempted to recruit me to this LS because I was bogging down thier gil income- HA!)"

Post 91

"I saw TinyWolf lvling in the Citadel and he's a sack holder of UzamakiClan LS. I let him know his member Bonri is lvling with RMT and he said "I know" I asked him if he is mad at Bonri for lvling with RMT and he didn't answer me. I let him know that I was taking his silence that he doesnt have a problem leveling with RMT.

So I'm here to report the LS UzamakiClan as they have no problem with lvling with RMT. Don't let their members in your pt. They're just as bad as RMT."

Post 92

Let's see, RMT at behemoth today:

Toobooo
Rulers
Edisen
Scroiilock
Gimya
Magicangel
Huullahaha
Bingxin
Yuyminmin

Double Post Edited:
Anlisa too

Double Post Edited:
Jackson too

Double Post Edited:
Heroe
Hainan

Double Post Edited:
Smallbeauty

Double Post Edited:
Was a busy Behie

Post 148

"Some new galka RMT NIN, Pristinepup? (sp) is being PLed along in normal PTs by Maurrine "

Post 173

"New RMT: Lgirry, Sejnus"

Post 175

Total Hearsay Evidence: 37 Gilsellers


Interesting quote by Demon on original Alla thread (In response to him being accused of MPK):

I am also the one who makes you and your friends look stupid, don't forget that. Where's this proof of me MPKing you have? Hmmmmm?

Oh wait, it either A. Does not exist,

Irony Count: 1

Everyone who has been to sky on Seraph knows who they are. If you want a WP, I'll go buy you one, and you can start asking around as to who the RMT are, I'll get you leaders of most of the HNMs on the server too if you want.

Ok. I'll take you up on that.

EDIT: I was drowsy when reading through a very long thread, if any of the above posts were not intended to add Gilsellers to the list, please point it out (and I'd ask you not do it angrily, I'm attempting to be objective about this).

[Ziero]

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I love how he keeps commenting that he's 'just making a list' and that it's not intended to ruin the games of others *he* feels are wrong.

Fact is, this is a hit list. It was created as a way for people of seraph who don't like RMT to know who to MPK, Harrass and intentionally hinder from playing. In his original posting here it had a 'mpk at will' line in it. This line was only removed, begrudgingly, when it brought the risk of closure upon his list. Though his reasons were 'it's because you can't MPK anymore' which is A) BS because it's still possible though far more difficult and B) posted here AFTER the anti MPK update.

Of course there's this lil tidbit:

Some new galka RMT NIN, Pristinepup? (sp) is being PLed along in normal PTs by Maurrine as I found while leveling my THF today. Tell your friends and ruin their PTs and keep a look out to warn those who decide to PT with him.

Again RD promoting breaking of the ToS based on *his* moral ideals, despite his many attempts to make people believe he's innocently 'just listing names'. His intentions with this list is painfully clear, despite how he tries to spin it. He openly admits MPKing and adamntly promotes harrassment via this list and that in my eyes makes him just as bad as any Gil Seller and worse then those who pt with him.

Why can he break the ToS, encourage others to break the ToS while punishing others who break the ToS?

[Danicus]

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Fact is, this is a hit list. It was created as a way for people of seraph who don't like RMT to know who to MPK, Harrass and intentionally hinder from playing.

Absolute LIE. And it's not a fact as you state. You sensationalize and dramaticize to make your pathetically weak point. Can't argue with BS like this b/c you lack any credibility in stating this.

But it is used to "hinder (RMT) from playing". And that I will do as long as I play this game. I will hinder RMT in EVERY WAY I POSSIBLY CAN. That doesn't mean I'll MPK them or harass them (since they use the 'call GM first' mentality). But I will do everything within the TOS to deter them.

And posting a list isn't against the ToS. Learn to READ before you say things you think are true.

And Feba's trolling is what brought this to the General Forum again. Not RD, myself, or any other Seraph character.

[Feba]

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Danny boy, if I were trolling, wouldn't I troll something that would purposefully piss off as many people as possible? Think about it, that's what trolls do, that's what a troll is.



FFXIO's server forums aren't very strong, because of the new post feature, forums are open to most everyone browsing the site. That's why you see people responding to other server's threads so often. If you don't like it, go to a site that doesn't have a feature like that.

This belongs nowhere else but the general discussion forum, as FFXIO has decided that threads concerning this shall be placed in the general forum.

[Hamlet]

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I took up Cole on the offer and got a WP for Seraph. It was TERRIBLE. I zoned into Bastok, and after the opening cutscene, I saw a naked mithra tied to a chocobo and being dragged around Market fountain. She kept screaming "I'm not RMT!!!! I didn't know!!!" I made the trek to Jeuno and witnessed another naked character, this time a taru, aparently stripped of his equip and dignitiy, cowering in a corner while 10 or so players threw pebbles at him. "I didn't know he was RMT when I joined the pt! I swear I didn't know!!!! I AM NOT AN ANIMAL!!!"

[Murphie]

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Just a bit of trivia that I'm not sure has anything to do with RMT, but the prices on Seraph are some of the lowest of all the servers out there. There's that nifty FFXI AH tool or whatever that was being linked around all over a few weeks ago, and I was (not really) surprised to find that prices there couldn't be beat.

[Ziero]

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Absolute LIE. And it's not a fact as you state. You sensationalize and dramaticize to make your pathetically weak point. Can't argue with BS like this b/c you lack any credibility in stating this.

But it is used to "hinder (RMT) from playing". And that I will do as long as I play this game. I will hinder RMT in EVERY WAY I POSSIBLY CAN. That doesn't mean I'll MPK them or harass them (since they use the 'call GM first' mentality). But I will do everything within the TOS to deter them.

And posting a list isn't against the ToS. Learn to READ before you say things you think are true.

And Feba's trolling is what brought this to the General Forum again. Not RD, myself, or any other Seraph character.

1) The original post had a 'MPK at will' line in it. If that's not promoting MPKing people on the list I don't know what is.

2) He also made a lil rant in the original Alla post that was full of how he will MPK and wipe out any and all GS and PT with GSers on his list. It was brought into the old topic towards the end. I can go find it if need be.

3) He's already openly admited to MPKing people. GSer or not it's still against the ToS, why does he get to break it yet others can't?

There's nothing noble or honorable about this list. It's his personal war and he's trying to recruit some more support. He feels that anyone who objects is flat out wrong and he'll listen to nothing stating otherwise and he's perfectly within his rights to impose his will on others.

Newsflash, he's not.

[DakAttack]

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And I suppose I am a troll, in some respects. People calling me troll are hypocrites though, so it doesn't really matter. Troll is a matter of perspective, in most cases. RD could be considered a troll. It's all dependant on who's doing the judging, just like the list.

No, RD couldn't be considered a troll unless you're living in Mhurron's personal twilight zone. You're a troll just looking for attention because little kids wont pump your e-peen like they did at Allahk. Seems to me you just brought a bunch of friends with you this time around.

Won't respond to RD unless he makes a new point, however.

Translation: I can't win.

And on an unrelated note:

Just a bit of trivia that I'm not sure has anything to do with RMT, but the prices on Seraph are some of the lowest of all the servers out there. There's that nifty FFXI AH tool or whatever that was being linked around all over a few weeks ago, and I was (not really) surprised to find that prices there couldn't be beat.

I kind of found Bahamut prices to be cheaper than Seraph, but then again, I wasn't checking much other than what I needed. I'm pretty surprised that Seraph's prices have toned down a bit, but there's still some expensive every day items that pain the wallet.

[Murphie]

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It seems that there are a few items on Seraph (rare or difficult to obtain) that are really rather highly priced, but the day to day items like food, oil, powder, and other consumables are really well priced. Oh, and elemental staves are a damn steal.

Bahamut really isn't bad. It's pretty comparable to Seraph. When I first started, I actually landed on first Alexander and then Fairy, and both of them had absolutely horrendous prices for everything. I know it all evens out, but I feel better paying less even if I'm making less. Or whatever. It's a mental thing.

[Ziero]

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Lower prices on everything is better because that makes the static quests and NPCable items prices that much better. It also means you lose less in taxes when selling items.