Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

[Tatha-Kitten]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

a list of recipes is different, that's to help the players, YOUR list on the other hand is to condemn people.

you also completely ignored an important part of the arguement EVERY time it is mentioned.

DATES CAN BE FALSIFIED.

your entire 'parties with gilsellers' list could be fake, we don't know otherwise, a court of law would not condemn a person because person A said they saw Person B do grievance C. that would be laughed out of the court faster than you can say 'i'm a retard with bum evidence' and any lawyer would agree with that.

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

Am I forcing you to read it? Does it affect you in any way? Have I ever told a person on the list who was wronged to get bent?

No. No. And if I did I am a master forum haxxor because I have hacked and edited posts here and on allakhazam without being caught.

You say my evidence is crap, go get your own against me or go hang with Feba in the pissing and moaning and not actaully doing anything lounge.

[Shopee]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

And they want removed for moral reasons, not because they have been wronged.

And these are illegitimate reasons?

[Tatha-Kitten]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

and again your defense is 'am i forcing you to read it?'

no, you aren't. but once i did, i disagreed with it, my disagreement is being voiced and reasons given. that's the free speech thign you keep mentioning, aint it a bitch?

give me a reason why if i am not forced to read it, those who have ARE being told to believe it or go to hell?

[Shopee]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

give me a reason why if i am not forced to read it, those who have ARE being told to believe it or go to hell?

Or to gather evidence that those people aren't and never were in fact gilsellers.

I'm still trying to figure out how the heck you would do that.

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

You are complaining about something that will never affect you and wanting things changed to reflect your personal beliefs all in the name of free speech.

You cannot make someone believe anything, if you could there would be a lot less KKK members and hate in this world. All anyone can do is put stuff out there and let people make their own opinions. If you want to censor this, where does it end, what else negative lists will you want next? Free speech means it is free. Everything I list has the proof asked for my the owners and admins of the site they are on.

If you have a problem with that, stop reading it or go use another site. And yes, them asking for it's removal on there own moral beliefs is wrong. I do not ask everyone on my server to go read and abide by this list, but yet they are viewed as in the right to force their beliefs on me.

[Tatha-Kitten]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

To Tatha:

When your name is PiNG, I will post the proof you want. Until then, I am doing as the admins of this site ask.

I was being reasonable in providing you with a decent way of fixing this crap.

you say that you have proof of ALL people on the list, and yet unless FORCED by a moderator, you won't post it. even though you already agreed with ping that you would provide this evidence.

I believe that's breaking your agreement is it not?

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

give me a reason why if i am not forced to read it, those who have ARE being told to believe it or go to hell?

Where do I say that? The only ones I tell they have to trust me are those from other servers who refuse to go check things themselves.

And i still fail to see how you can argue that listing people who help RMT is morally wrong, they are helping those who break the ToS every day.

[Tatha-Kitten]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

they are helping those who break the ToS every day.

so are people who play with people who use windower, your point is?

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

I was being reasonable in providing you with a decent way of fixing this crap.

you say that you have proof of ALL people on the list, and yet unless FORCED by a moderator, you won't post it. even though you already agreed with ping that you would provide this evidence.

I believe that's breaking your agreement is it not?

If you had read the previous posts and threads, the agreement for allakhazam was them taking my word and needing dates. The agreement with the admins here was anything new in the PTs with RMT list must have a screenshot, which I have done.

Any additional proof would involve me taking time in game to make you people happy, and since I really don't give a damn about making you happy, I decide to play the game and have fun instead.

[Shopee]

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And yes, them asking for it's removal on there own moral beliefs is wrong.

But you encouraging others to make hell for anyone you list based on your moral beliefs isn't?

Your moral beliefs are as much in play here as anyone elses.

In fact, you are trying to force your moral belief in free speech on people as much as they are trying to force their moral belief on vigilantism on you.

Any action you make is somehow affecting others, this is you asserting your ideas, morals or other beliefs on other people. Everyone does it, and it is impossible to avoid, so you are no more innocent of it than anyone else.

Any additional proof would involve me taking time in game

So you don't care if you act justly, you just want to shove your moral ideals into the face of supposed RMTers.

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

So your whole problem with it is 'Give 'em hell'? If I removed that, it would make you stop argueing?


Well tough, it isn't gonna happen.

Double Post Edited:
And for my reluctance to track down everyone on this list, if you care so damn much and doubt the lists that much, go check it yourself. I enjoy this game and doing clerical work that will still not make you people happy is not my idea of fun.

[Shopee]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

go check it yourself.

It is near impossible to prove that someone was never a gilseller without a time machine.

It is not, however, impossible to prove that someone is a gilseller by providing more evidence.

doing clerical work that will still not make you people happy is not my idea of fun.

Then you obviously aren't responsible enough to handle a makeshift justice system. (This was directed at the implication that you won't do it, not that it isn't your idea of fun. I wouldn't think you'd need to enjoy it)

You are not taking responsibility for the verity of your information.

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

The evidence is good enough for the admins here who I answer too. Now any argueing with the RMT part of the list is just plain stupid since even those on Seraph who hate the rest of the list do not disagree with the RMT part.

[Shopee]

Re: Greivances With The List - Pt.2 (Condemning Innocents)

The evidence is good enough for the admins here who I answer too.

And on this note, I will end simply by saying:

You have proven by stating that you simply cannot be bothered to gather sufficient evidence that you care less about fairness and more about your personal disgust towards RMT.