Gil Buyers

[Legal Fish]

Re: Gil Buyers

Call it a gut feeling or the fact gil buyers are usually chornic gil buyers and its very to point out a chronic gil buyers. I'm known a very large amount of my server and every LS out of 40 will have one guy or two who is very rich for little reason and does nothing but afk all day or exp. The rest of the LS will be filled either poor people, people who've never broken 2 million gil, or people who work hard for their moeny or just get lucky from an Elemental Earring or Thief Knife.

The reason selling gil or accounts is so profitable because there are idiots who don't see why its wrong and spends hundreds of real-life dollars on video-game characters or money.

Most of the price raising during christmas was done all by crafting mules. Thousands and thousands of price raises thanks to multiple mules tricking people into thinking it was the average.

[Mog]

Re: Gil Buyers

RMT will never go away. (I can't say it enough, can I?)

What's there to talk about? People buy and sell gil, and the people who don't buy and sell guy try to ban these people any means necessary.

[Murphie]

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My experience has been that I've met a lot of one time buyers who didn't know at the time what kind of an effect gil buying had on the economy and who know are 100% against it. The chronic buyers seem a little easier to pick out.

I mean, sure, I'd like to think that all the people on my server that are rolling in gil, or seem to have a lot of luck farming or crafting are just buying their gil all the time, but since I'm not following them around 24/7 I really have no way of knowing if that's true.

I'm still willing to bet that more people buy than most people think. That's just what my gut tells me.

RMT will never go away. (I can't say it enough, can I?)

What's there to talk about? People buy and sell gil, and the people who don't buy and sell guy try to ban these people any means necessary.

Agreed. I was just making conversation.

[Legal Fish]

Re: Gil Buyers

RMT will never go away. (I can't say it enough, can I?)

What's there to talk about? People buy and sell gil, and the people who don't buy and sell guy try to ban these people any means necessary.

This statement brings nothing to the table, why even say it?

[Spinnthrift]

Re: Gil Buyers

This statement brings nothing to the table, why even say it?

Pharming.

In one word.

Honestly - I believe the number of people who've bought gil to be very high... maybe not consistently, but bought a million here or there... that's the large majority.

Sure - you'll get famous people who *bought* their Excalibur's.. but most will go under the radar.

The only reason why I know about my friend, is down to me outright telling him he'd bought gil (as I knew his farming methods quite well). If he did that for fear of being gimped... how many others do as well?

[Murphie]

Re: Gil Buyers

I know a few folks in endgame LS's on Seraph who got started by purchasing gil. I don't know if they do it still, but at the time they bought about a million or so (and this was in early 2004). Now they might not do it any longer (unless they are trying to upgrade some relic weapons, at which point, they may very well still), but at the time they did it any time they needed to buy something in game.

[Moaku Hyena]

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There has been a really heavy RMT focus in the forums lately. I don't know why. It's not like anything has changed there.

Because it's a hot button issue. RMT stands out. It ruins the economy by drastically accelerating the rate of inflation. When Raise III jumped from 10k to 10 Million, you'd definitely start complaining. And it DID HAPPEN ON RAMUH. When Raise II jumped from 60k to 1 Mil and skyrocketed to 10 Mil, I sure as hell was screaming obscenities through Lower Jeuno (And didn't get GM called, luckily).

I know a guy - hates RMT with a passion (because he can't camp many mobs at all because of their total dominance) bought several million just to buy a Hauby because of the abuse he got from most people he partied with for being gimped at the Christmas sale.

He hates them - but cracked. Someone who you'd never look to think it either.

If the most virtuous can crumble, I'd truly believe in numbers like that.

I know some of the most respected players in many places being botters and hackers, because they're quiet about it... so I'd say it was a reasonable estimate. You have to understand - how few people frequent these boards compared to how many people keep IGE afloat.

And now, I will refer you to my earlier post! http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/602606-post10.html


And I speculate 10-35% on my server.

[Hamlet]

Re: Gil Buyers

50-70%? That seems pretty high to me. I think I've met one person that mentioned they bought gil, in about 3 years of playing.

I would say that 50-70% of the people I've partied with in the game have such bad gear that they definately never bought gil.

I spent like a month straight in Ifirit's to get stuff for my rdm awhile back and to lvl goldsmithing. People knew me as "the guy that's always in Ifrit's." But the thing is, I got to enjoy it, in a way. Making gil by farming or mining can be it's own mini-game, and makes the satisfacition of finally earning the item greater. Camping NMs for gil could drive you nuts. Camping Argus burned me out so much I quit the game. But generally, making gil can be funnish, and is defiantely part of the game.

I'll never understand gilbuyers really, and if it ever got to the point where I would have to buy gil to keep playing, I would quit (I heard Lineage II is like that)

[Murphie]

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Because it's a hot button issue. RMT stands out. It ruins the economy by drastically accelerating the rate of inflation. When Raise III jumped from 10k to 10 Million, you'd definitely start complaining. And it DID HAPPEN ON RAMUH. When Raise II jumped from 60k to 1 Mil and skyrocketed to 10 Mil, I sure as hell was screaming obscenities through Lower Jeuno (And didn't get GM called, luckily).



And now, I will refer you to my earlier post! http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/602606-post10.html


And I speculate 10-35% on my server.

I get that it's a hot button issue. What I don't get is why we need a bajillionty threads about it. It's gotten to the point where we need an RMT discussion subforum.

[Mog]

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This statement brings nothing to the table, why even say it?

I'm just sick and tired of all these new RMT threads. All of them devolve to the same mentality that RMT's are ruining the game and we need to do something about it.....but we can't do much about it. It's like beating on a dead horse over and over and over again...

I think I'm done commenting on RMT threads. Just doesn't seem to go anywhere, but that's just me.

[Hamlet]

Re: Gil Buyers

I get that it's a hot button issue. What I don't get is why we need a bajillionty threads about it. It's gotten to the point where we need an RMT discussion subforum.

Well, considering that there's like 1 new topic every 6 hours on ffxionline, I don't consider it too bad. What have you got against threads, Aelathir? First my "If ffxi was real" thread, and now this one. A message board needs threads. Threads are good. The one thread I thought was unnecessary was the one that talked about blacklists in general, but I guess it served it's purpose, in the end.

I was actually thinking of starting a thread about discussing whether or not gilelling is bad, and how bad it is exactly, because there seems to be alot of differing opinions on that on this board and others, and it might be helpful to have a thread to help people decide where to stand on the issue.

But, I think I'll just stick with the "if ffxi was real" thread.

- If ffxi was real, Aelathir would complain about how many swords there are for sale. "Do we really need all these swords? Isn't an onion sword good enough?" he would be heard to say.

[Murphie]

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Well, considering that there's like 1 new topic every 6 hours on ffxionline, I don't consider it too bad. What have you got against threads, Aelathir? First my "If ffxi was real" thread, and now this one. A message board needs threads. Threads are good. The one thread I thought was unnecessary was the one that talked about blacklists in general, but I guess it served it's purpose, in the end.

I was actually thinking of starting a thread about discussing whether or not gilelling is bad, and how bad it is exactly, because there seems to be alot of differing opinions on that on this board and others, and it might be helpful to have a thread to help people decide where to stand on the issue.

But, I think I'll just stick with the "if ffxi was real" thread.

- If ffxi was real, Aelathir would complain about how many swords there are for sale. "Do we really need all these swords? Isn't an onion sword good enough?" he would be heard to say.

I have nothing against threads. What a silly claim to make. I certainly post here enough that I obviously have nothing against threads.

I have something against superfluous threads. I like a bit of order. And when someone makes a thread simliar to something we had no less than a month ago (If FFXI was real, which is a topic that pops up on message boards like this about once every couple of months) it just seems unnecessary. You don't have to make threads. If you have something new to talk about, great! Post a new thread. If you want to talk about something that's already been discussed, use the search function and bump an old thread with your new contribution.

[Hamlet]

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I have nothing against threads. What a silly claim to make. I certainly post here enough that I obviously have nothing against threads.

I have something against superfluous threads. I like a bit of order. And when someone makes a thread simliar to something we had no less than a month ago (If FFXI was real, which is a topic that pops up on message boards like this about once every couple of months) it just seems unnecessary. You don't have to make threads. If you have something new to talk about, great! Post a new thread. If you want to talk about something that's already been discussed, use the search function and bump an old thread with your new contribution.

Well, the two posts you mentioned as posting up every couple months were both different from my thread. One was about what job would you choose if you could live in ffxi and not have a sub, and the other was what would you do if you could live in ffxi. Mine was freeform and has responses ranging from rl situations similar to ffxi and ffxi situations similar to rl.

As for the gilselling threads, each one seems a bit different. This one is about gilbuying and speculating on how many people buy gil. Others have been about different aspects of gilselling.

If you don't want to read them, then don't. It's pretty clear what they're about in the titles. Also, you made a note to yourself to come up with new stuff to talk about. Give that a try.

[Moaku Hyena]

Re: Gil Buyers

Bumping Threads 60 months old is bad.

[Murphie]

Re: Gil Buyers

Bumping Threads 60 months old is bad.

60 months is not the same as three days ago. I'm just saying.

Hamlet: I'll get right on that. Meanwhile, keep on thinking of stuff you'd do if FFXI was real. I appreciate your contributions in that area. Especially since you've managed to target an area that no one has tackled yet. Kudos to you.