Pl's. Good or Bad?

[Kailea]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

There is a big diffrence in getting higher level firends to help with a quest or mission. Getting one to PL your PT.......leveling in your PT is where you are supost to learn, you cant learn with a PL

[Standablaze]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

I personally dont mind a PL, depending on what job I am.

If I'm a THF or a WAR, I'm only bringing them to 37 as a sub job, no other reason. I don't particularly care about those jobs and if someone wants to bring a PL, fair play to them. On my DRK I wasn't great on the idea of a PL because I wanted to be able to actually hit most of the mobs and be able to skill up, not fighting things I should be fighting later on in the levels.

I rarely PL, but sometimes I will PL if I'm begged by an LS member or someone I know. If I'm passing a party as an RDM, I will normally throw a cure to someone on low HP. Its not a matter of them not learning; if they are in very low HP they know something isnt right and will most likely correct that next time (i.e pulling too much hate when they first get souleater or double attack or if they heal too much).

But no, I'm not going to turn down a PL on my WAR or THF or whatever low level job I play at the time. Its annoying enough having to level jobs so you can level your sub job to sub with your main, and I know how to play those jobs properly anyway so its not something I'm too worried about. I'm not a bad player and I know what I'm doing; PLs dont do me any harm.

If I'm leveling WHM, I *know* how to heal, I mainhealed for most of my RDM and took it further than I'll ever take WHM. PLs wont harm that. If I'm lvling THF or WAR, I know what I'm doing weither its tanking or damaging dealing or whatever.. PL wont be hurting me anymore than without, only if I happen to die for some odd reason (we all make mistakes) it'll just make the job more tedious than it already is.

The only time I can see a PL being detrimental to people is when they are new to the game. In that case, dont PL them, they need to know how the game works and when you have a subless WAR or WHM not knowing how to tank (as they do in dunes) or main heal, then you have a problem on your hands, if you insist on PLing or being PLed do it as a backup only, killing links or curing if the person is almost dead.

[Murphie]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

So because it was to hard you decided to get a 70+ to help you. so its ok when it suits your needs. otherwise you say "aww screw it". must be nice to have a high lvler to fall back on MR HARDCORE. i mean if i remember correctly it took me over a week to find a bunch of peeps to go item hunting, then to actually win the lots on them.

Do you have reading comprehension issues? Did you miss the part where I said that I'd already done it once before in a full party or in a trio of folks at level 50? The second time around one of those same folks who I did it with the first time helped me out with the genkei items. I didn't just stand at the zone line. I participated. I went to the spots and fought the mobs with them. That is not the same as powerleveling.

you missed my whole point. to me the posters say the number 1 reason was PL is bad is it tends to make players water downed. my retort was simply. so does having 4 out of 6 people in the parties with 1 or more job past the 60's. hows a war/mnk gonna learn how to tank an hold hate for later on, when the pt invites a pld/war who just came off of lvling a nin to 75 an understands the concept of hate management.. what you infact create is a lvl 20 war who has no clue or experience doing so. thus his pts later on will suffer for it.

So now your still at sqaure 1, you just took another route. PL = water down jobs, having a hand full of skilled players in the parties makes the younger players water downed.

I missed your whole point? There is no proof that having new players party with experienced players in a normal EXP situation stunts the learning for those new players. If anything it's the exact opposite. That new player can see how things are done correctly and learn from that.

There is no point to miss, becuase you don't have a point. (You barely have coherent sentence structure, but that's another story altogether.) Meanwhile my points are still perfectly valid, no matter how you try and pin me as some sort of secret powerlevel lover.

[Karinya]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Sadly, it doesn't even matter anymore if players learn skills like "tanking" or "hate control" or "healing", because all those things are obsolete now. All you need to learn is how to spam Utsusemi, and where there are mobs too weak to fight back that still give OMGWTF exp. Skill is optional. Tanks are a liability. Skillchains just delay your WS spam.

Exping has been dumbed down to such a ridiculous extent that people that can't cut it in Valkurm will do just fine in merit parties. All they have to do is get PL'd to 74 and have IGE send them some gil for a hauby and a scroll of Utsu:Ni.

So what difference does it make if they get PL'd and don't learn how to play? You don't need to know how to play anymore.

[TenchiHawkwing]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Sadly, it doesn't even matter anymore if players learn skills like "tanking" or "hate control" or "healing", because all those things are obsolete now. All you need to learn is how to spam Utsusemi, and where there are mobs too weak to fight back that still give OMGWTF exp. Skill is optional. Tanks are a liability. Skillchains just delay your WS spam.

Exping has been dumbed down to such a ridiculous extent that people that can't cut it in Valkurm will do just fine in merit parties. All they have to do is get PL'd to 74 and have IGE send them some gil for a hauby and a scroll of Utsu:Ni.

So what difference does it make if they get PL'd and don't learn how to play? You don't need to know how to play anymore.

I tell those people good luck getting to sea(a few awesome items for melee come from here, and you ain't getting through CoP if you don't have at least a bit of skill.), that or have fun leveling SMN&BLM.

[little ninja]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Do you have reading comprehension issues? Did you miss the part where I said that I'd already done it once before in a full party or in a trio of folks at level 50? The second time around one of those same folks who I did it with the first time helped me out with the genkei items. I didn't just stand at the zone line. I participated. I went to the spots and fought the mobs with them. That is not the same as powerleveling.

I missed your whole point? There is no proof that having new players party with experienced players in a normal EXP situation stunts the learning for those new players. If anything it's the exact opposite. That new player can see how things are done correctly and learn from that.

There is no point to miss, becuase you don't have a point. (You barely have coherent sentence structure, but that's another story altogether.) Meanwhile my points are still perfectly valid, no matter how you try and pin me as some sort of secret powerlevel lover.

sure its the same thing as being power leveled, i mean didnt i already do the exp grind from 1 to 75. an i had my mix of good pts an horrid pts. so like you said. i done it once, so no need to do it that way ever again.

i honestly dont need any more proof then what i went thru leveling my mule. not one time during my 25 lvls did i ever tank or voke a mob. i had plds, other wars, an nins to do it for me. so now if im a young player at 25, an i get asked to tank a mob. do you honestly think i would be able to do it. Then again how many times did you hear noob tell you to STFU, cause you were tryin to give them helpful insight on how to play their job? yeah i know i have plenty of times.

nobody has submited actual proof that PL, actually do more harm then good, an certainly not you. sure 1 player said he was PL'ed an he sucks. so now are we assuming all sucky players are now PL?

i get a B- in spelling, an i get an F in sentence comprehension. lol

Double Post Edited:

There is a big diffrence in getting higher level firends to help with a quest or mission. Getting one to PL your PT.......leveling in your PT is where you are supost to learn, you cant learn with a PL

So you cant learn how to use a SC with a PL?
So you cant learn how to MP with a PL?
So you cant learn how to Pull with a PL?
So you cant learn how to Buff, or remove status effect before a party member can spam it?
So you cant learn where safe camps are with a PL?
So a PL effects young players from listening to helpful suggestions?

[ValisOfValefor]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

So you cant learn how to MP with a PL?

Depends on what sort. Ive been in parties with black mages who spam spells, the when they get hit, and die they go.

"To bad we dont have a PL or else that wouldn't have happend"

For those bad PLs who tank the monsters then yes they cant learn how to use mp effectively

[Murphie]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Why is it the same thing as being powerleveled? How about you provide some supporting facts if you're just going to make a claim like that?

If I could have solo'd Genkei 1 or gotten a group of similarly leveled folks together to do it with, I would have. But finding enough people who haven't already done the Limit Breaks at this point in the game is near impossible. Most people have already done them and have no incentive to do them again at 50 just for fun. I repeat: If I could have found them, I would have done them that way.

If you didn't at least observe proper tanking techniques while leveling your mule, then that's not the fault of your parties, but rather the fault of your powers of observation. Just because you got into a few parties where you weren't asked to tank doesn't mean that all newbies aren't asked to do anything. I'd much rather have a WAR tank than a PLD or NIN tank anyway during those levels, but most veteran players have forgotten that some jobs are stronger than others during different level stretches, so they just assume that what works at 75 works all the time. Guess what? It doesn't.

At no point have I said that powerlevels do more harm than good. Maybe someone else has, but I certainly haven't. I have said, however that I don't like them, and won't use them. That's because that's how I prefer to play the game. I don't expect anyone else to play the way I do, but I will think less of those who are powerleveled rather than getting exp under their own power in a party of similarly leveled players.

[LoveToHeal]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

So you cant learn how to use a SC with a PL?
So you cant learn how to MP with a PL?
So you cant learn how to Pull with a PL?
So you cant learn how to Buff, or remove status effect before a party member can spam it?
So you cant learn where safe camps are with a PL?
So a PL effects young players from listening to helpful suggestions?[/QUOTE]


I'm back.

Yes you can learn to SC but, people ask you to use tp don't save it.
"Go ahead and use your mp, we have PL to keep hate and heal" Just like I said.
"Go ahead and pull that gob, pull 5 pugs, etc." You don't learn tp pull correctly.
Whoever said anything about buffing, or any of the statements you have made except some?
"Lets camp here, pl will get spawns"
What are you talking about? Young players? Suggestions?

[Nimrod4154]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

I believe PLs are okay as long as you know how to play your class. I usually end up getting powerleveled a few times before 20 to make the experience faster.

[Murphie]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

I believe PLs are okay as long as you know how to play your class. I usually try to get PLed through 20 and then play on my own.

If you get powerleveled through to level 20, then when does the "learning how to play your class" start? At 20?

[Nimrod4154]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

If you get powerleveled through to level 20, then when does the "learning how to play your class" start? At 20?

Well if you have been playing for a month or so atleast and read these forums often, then you would already know how to play a class. For the most part, PLs are a bad idea for the majority of the players though. I never even change my main job without reading up on as much as I can about how the job works.

[LoveToHeal]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Well if you have been playing for a month or so atleast and read these forums often, then you would already know how to play a class. For the most part, PLs are a bad idea for the majority of the players though. I never even change my main job without reading up on as much as I can about how the job works.

Reading about a job doesn't make you good at it.

[Murphie]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Well if you have been playing for a month or so atleast and read these forums often, then you would already know how to play a class. For the most part, PLs are a bad idea for the majority of the players though. I never even change my main job without reading up on as much as I can about how the job works.

A month in-game and a bit of reading does not a skilled player make.

[Nimrod4154]

Re: Pl's. Good or Bad?

Reading about a job doesn't make you good at it.

Well I also only get my subjobs PLed, and I don't really have to be good at them in that case. And I beg to differ, reading about a job would give you a lot more information then mindlessly grinding in Valkurm.

A month in-game and a bit of reading does not a skilled player make.

There is a difference between a bit of reading and reading every guide you can find.