From Pumpkins to Sushi

[Sabaron]

I was wondering, recently, where the effectiveness cut-off for Jack-o'-Lantern's Accuracy bonus is... a tiny bit of research later and I've found this:

According to FFXIclopedia the formula for Accuracy is:

Accuracy = (WeaponSkill + Dexterity/2 + Gear + Traits) * (Food% + 1)

All sushi's except for Bream are +15% Accuracy and a Jack-O'-Lantern gives a flat +10 bonus to accuracy. Therefore, when the Green value meets or exceeds

66

, you will get equivalent or better accuracy from Sushi than you will from the Jack-O'-Lantern. Of course, if you are still in need of the +10 Evasion, the switch might not be as beneficial; however, most people who would be interested in this are Damage Dealers, therefore the +5 Strength bonus from Sole Sushi and it's accompanying Damage Ramp and Attack bonus boosts will be preferred.

If you are wondering about Ranged Accuracy, just swap your Agility for your Dexterity in the formula.

Another note:

If you started at 0 weapon skill this switch will occur somewhere between 15th and 20th level.

Remember to count the Dexterity bonus for your Sushi when you calculate your number. Sole, Squid and Bream are +6.

[Ryddr]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

With that said...anyone who uses sushi in the Dunes is pretty much wasting it. They're getting less than +10 acc. So all those 1337 people who think it's cool to pop Sole Sushi+1 at level 12 while fighting snippers.....

[Icemage]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Ninjas are really the only job that materially benefits from using Jack-o-Lanterns, since they can make very effective use of +10 Evasion.

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Rice Dumplings are a good attack/accuracy food in the pre-30s range (perhaps even beyond). More damage than Sushi, reasonable Attack and Accuracy boost, and some extra perks too.


Icemage

[Bishop]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

I believe sushi starts making a difference at around lvl 20. I've parsed information and it seems like not only was my damage upped, but my accuracy as well. But of course this is based purely on my numbers which could fluctuate.

[tdh]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Well those numbers seem a little odd to me. At WAR55, using his equation, my Acc will be 294.68 with Sushi? That doesn't help me so much. If the equation came out to 75% or something, that'd be more useful. Or am I missing something?

But outside of the numbers, I started to notice the difference between Pumpkins and Sole Sushi for my SAM at Lv.35. I popped a Pumpkin, the MNK popped Sushi, and I was having problems landing hits. I pulled hate after a big Tachi: Enpi, and died, and bought a Sushi from the MNK. Suddenly I'm having no problems with Acc. Granted we were fighting Bats and Beetles, but there was a noticable difference. It was Lv.40 when I finally switched to Sushi for WAR. At Lv.51 I have Acc+47 for WAR, so depending on what we're fighting I might actually eat Mithkabobs.

But Dumplings are nice at lower levels for some jobs. The only time I eat Sushi below Lv.35~40 now is for THF. Squid Sushi is nice for the DEX and AGI. More so post Lv.30, but I've found it helpful, and it's much less expensive than Sole. 65~90k for Sole Vs. 30k for Squid.

[Jei]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

level 20 you don't gain any acc gears to boost your base accuracy yet. 48+ after you get life belt is a better time to use sushi imo.

Rice dumbling caps its attack at 220 base damage. At level 50 my monk still only have 200 base attack With dumbling and berserk it goes up to 300+ and with bard 360+ it's pretty sweet.

[Sabaron]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Well those numbers seem a little odd to me. At WAR55, using his equation, my Acc will be 294.68 with Sushi? That doesn't help me so much. If the equation came out to 75% or something, that'd be more useful. Or am I missing something?
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Your Accuracy score is reduced by the monster's Evasion to determine the hit rate... I've copied the content of the wiki page below:

Accuracy

From FFXIclopedia

A hidden stat that is compared with an enemy's evasion to determine whether or not a character will land their next attack.

Accuracy is affected by the character's weapon skill level, their DEX, and any equipment that directly adds to accuracy.

At low levels, 1 skill gives 1 accuracy. When the combat skill exceeds 200, 1 skill gives ~0.92 accuracy.

2 points of DEX give 1 accuracy.

Formula:

• When combat skill is <=200

Accuracy = ( Combat Skill + DEX/2 + (+accuracy from gear) + (+accuracy from trait/ability) ) * (1+ percentage from food effect)

• When combat skill is beyond 200

Accuracy = ( 200+ (Combat Skill-200)*0.92 + DEX/2 + (+accuracy from gear) + (+accuracy from trait/ability) ) * (1+ percentage from food effect)
When checking a monster, low evasion (75%+ hit rate) occurs when your accuracy is 10+ points above the monster's evasion. High evasion occurs when your accuracy is 30+ points below the monster's evasion. More precisely, from the point that a mob just stops checking high evasion, adding +40 more accuracy will make it check low evasion.

There is a cap on Accuracy; a player cannot have higher than a 95% hit rate over the long term. Once you reach that point, adding more Accuracy has no effect.

Double Post Edited:

Ninjas are really the only job that materially benefits from using Jack-o-Lanterns, since they can make very effective use of +10 Evasion.

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Rice Dumplings are a good attack/accuracy food in the pre-30s range (perhaps even beyond). More damage than Sushi, reasonable Attack and Accuracy boost, and some extra perks too.


Icemage

Rice Dumpling only gives me +5 Accuracy though; If I'm using a Great weapon will this be enough to prevent me from missing too frequently? Each miss with a Great weapon is a lot of damage lost. Right now, I'm doing Hume Dark Knight alternating Scythe and Great Sword and I noticed that against IT's I miss... a lot. Which is why I stopped eating damage food and switched to Pumpkins in the first place. I'll have to try out a stack of dumplings and parse them in comparison to the Pumpkins I'm currently using...

[Bishop]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

level 20 you don't gain any acc gears to boost your base accuracy yet. 48+ after you get life belt is a better time to use sushi imo.

Even more reason to use sushi at lvl 20. At lvls where you're lacking acc equipment, it would only be logical to eat food that provides acc? Sushi adds percentage of you base accuracy, not your total. Adding a life belt will not increase the effectiveness of sushi.

[Ellipses]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Quite a few jobs that need to worry about ACC can get Battle Gloves at level 14. Yes, Rice Dumplings make a noticeable difference before 30, and the non-ACC melee stats are better than Sushi.

Apparently, before Sushi was introduced, no one ever hit monsters at all until they got Sniper's Rings.

[nanatsu]

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I never had any real problems hitting monsters before mid 40's using Rice Dumplings. It's worked well for me, even for 2hand weapons on war and drk. Sushi is all fine and good, and if you're having trouble hitting no matter what you do, then I suppose it's okay. Or you could stop overhunting. But there's a point where you have to recognize when hitting for more damage while missing a few attacks might actually be better than 90-95% accuracy but hitting weakly. Accurate but weak hits are the problem that a lot of sushi eaters have against mobs with high def like crabs and beetles. I've seen more than my share of 0s from people who just don't know how to use sushi properly, or when to use it at all.

Like I've said before, I don't expect to ever get all of my attacks in. I do expect to do good damage when it counts, and that's how I gear myself. I've not had a problem pulling hate yet, even if a great pld can snatch it right back. Did it without sushi for 40+ levels on mnk. Using sushi at lvl 20 is kinda blah. Mobs don't have that much more evasion than your accuracy at that level. I don't think you're going to parse higher than a meat user in that situation, unless you're fighting things you have no business fighting in the first place.

[Murphie]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Quite a few jobs that need to worry about ACC can get Battle Gloves at level 14. Yes, Rice Dumplings make a noticeable difference before 30, and the non-ACC melee stats are better than Sushi.

Apparently, before Sushi was introduced, no one ever hit monsters at all until they got Sniper's Rings.

I won't mention how I used to wear Balance Rings on my WAR back in the day. It's probably just for the best that we keep that a secret.

Damn, I guess now everyone knows.

[tordall]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

There are two types of boni from food, fixed +acc and a percent +acc. For the most part Sushi is a percent +acc while the other +acc foods are a fixed number. I also believe that Sushi actually has a maxium effect and will do a little bit of searching to find the numbers (I believe it's slightly under a maxumum fixed number of 30). Will report back with the maxium bonus from sushi.

In light of that:

* When combat skill is <=200

Accuracy = ( Combat Skill + DEX/2 + (+accuracy from gear) + (+accuracy from trait/ability) (+ accuracy from fixed acc food effect) * (1(+ percentage from percentage acc food effect))

* When combat skill is beyond 200

Accuracy = ( 200+ (Combat Skill-200)*0.92 + DEX/2 + (+accuracy from gear) + (+accuracy from trait/ability) )(+accuracy from trait/ability) (+ accuracy from fixed acc food effect) * (1(+ percentage from percentage acc food effect))

Double Post Edited:
Ok, I don't think that Sushi's have a max effect. There are the only foods that give a % boost to accuracy. The others give a fixed + number, so use the formulas in my previous post if you arn't using sushi, or just want to have it exactly right.

[Tirrock]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Tentacle Sushi apparently has a cap. I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that other sushi's have caps too, but they might just be hard (and pointless) to reach.

[Mhurron]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

Well those numbers seem a little odd to me. At WAR55, using his equation, my Acc will be 294.68 with Sushi? That doesn't help me so much. If the equation came out to 75% or something, that'd be more useful. Or am I missing something?

One last step, figure out the amount of +ACC you would get from your chosen food. For static foods it's easy, +10 for the lantern +5 for rice dumplings. For Sole Sushi, the value you get for +ACC is 15% of your acc, so if your ACC is 298 (rounded 294.68 to 295 and added 3 for the DEX from the sushi) Sole Suchi will give 298x15% or 44.7 ACC. Obviously a little more then either Lanterns or Dumplings.

I came to ask the same question, I promise i slapped myself when I realized that 10 is a little under 15% of 66.

[goblinpimp]

Re: From Pumpkins to Sushi

ok. so whats the passive acc trait i get from my drg? whats it worth in terms of a fixed acc number or %? (so i can do the math^.^)