wow what's with this attitude

[Murphie]

Re: wow what's with this attitude

Agreed, Ellipses. I mean, I'm all for having fun. That's why I play the game. But there comes a point when people messing up and not taking things at least somewhat seriously becomes a problem.

I enjoy doing my job well, regardless of what that job may be. I enjoy partying with others who feel the same. While I'm not going to berate someone for doing a poor job, and while I'll certainly try to provide some helpful advice to try and steer them in the right direction, I will remember their performance the next time I'm making a party and they are LFG.

It's all fun and games until someone delevels. Or pokes an eye out. Either or.

[Miyokonami]

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That's a fine line to walk. It gets harder and harder to be lighthearted every time the same mistakes get you killed. And there comes a point where being new is no longer a valid excuse (e.g., one is no longer "new" to a job at level 30).

Yes, friendly advice is generally better than harsh criticism. But with so many players who fly off the handle at even the friendliest advice, it gets difficult to maintain a sunny disposition about people completely screwing up jobs. Missing a skillchain here and there? Not knowing a certain monster links? Ha ha, we've all been there, laugh and move on. A RDM never Dispelling anything or Refreshing anyone else? A Samurai who never manages a single successful skillchain? Come on.

Nah thats totally valid.. this DRG I was talking about was partying lvl 14-15 I think. But aside from that, you're right. And I knowwww I was totally p-o'ed when I died twice in a matter of 3 minutes, and was so close to lvl but w/ exp lost it took me a good while to get it back. They just don't listen and I get spiteful and tell everyone not to pt with so and so because they don't know what they are doing and won;t listen to any advice/hints. And this was a War that someone let into the pt at lvl 19 w/o a subjob that let me die and when I hp'ed brought the mob straight back to me and than ran. And I was whm.

So After that little rant I just had, I understand what you mean, plenty of times Ive gotten so aggravated with people that don't listen Ijust wanted to do anything I could to get them p'oed or booted, I don't care.

But most of the time I just try and help out and if they are stupid.. I pull back and let them go with their ignorance. When no one wants to help them out maybe they'll realize.

[Rainechan]

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Ouch. Sounds like a bunch of bad rdm out there.

[Theyaden]

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A linkshell mate had a pt today in Quflin Island and the redmage in his party was 20rdm/10nin meleeing 2 swords. There was a white mage to main heal. However he was doing the pulling. when the whm was calling for a mp rest he'ld bring another mob in sometimes while the last mob was still up for the final icing when the entire group was yellow to red he grabbed a pugil and brought it back. Monk 2 hour and not sure if any others fired there saving the party. The redmage was also curious why the summoner wasn't provoking (whm sub btw). One nice thing my friend said about the redmage was he kept things interesting just seeing what he'ld do next.

As a side note I understand at higher levels /nin has uses for redmage but is there any reason to use it for rednage in the early 20's? (Redmage is one of the jobs I'm planning to bring up as an extra available subjob since blackmage and whm have been max subbed already.)

[Jei]

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Rdm/nin in EXP PT offers nothing imo from 1-73. At 74+ it only works on some occasion when Rdm is the main puller.

Seeing Rdm seeking with /nin really ony hints that the person is going to melee.... DD Rdm {no thanks} for me.

[Aksannyi]

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Well I will say that Red Mage melee isn't so terrible at the Qufim levels, but subbing NIN and pulling? Like ... wtf? Definitely not trying to turn this into a melee debate, but I can identify with at least that part.

Although asking a Summoner to provoke is just ... priceless ... I would have loved to have been there for that.

[Raydeus]

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Up to lvl 40 there's really no reason for a RDM not to melee unless they are main healers or running out of mp every fight.

Subbing NIN would be useful up to lvl 30ish if they used dual wands for casting, but I really doubt those RDM/NIN were thinking about dual wands.



PS Now all of them bad RDM can go BLU/NIN woo hoo!

[ValisOfValefor]

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Uhhhhg, worst part was in the 30s I had to invite a Rdm/nin, because for some reason the two brds that we're lfg just had to go and "do something else, I forgot to take down my flag"

Mostly needed a Dispeller, because we we're in the Crawlers nest. (the worst part was 5 minutes later the Brds went lfg again)

(They were going duel swords of course)

[Draco Dagon]

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The Rdm can hate the antican all they want. Still not an excuse not to dispel them.

If you hate a mob, wouldn't you rather do anything possible to make sure it dies?



Interestingly enough, in my LS yesterday I heard a fellow RDM say something amusing. I won't say it, but I think the "attitude-problem" is these n00bs (not newbies) know they're going to get exp some way or another, regardless of how bad they do..

[Raydeus]

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I won't say it, but I think the "attitude-problem" is these n00bs (not newbies) know they're going to get exp some way or another, regardless of how bad they do..

Which shows how stupid they are, if they did their job well they would get much more xp/hour. But if they rather make their leveling slower than it should then what can you do?

[Aeni]

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Last night in Beseiged, I epitomized the Red Mage stereotype. I was the Red Uber Refresh/Haste/Dispel whore. And not a single player around me minded one bit.

[Rodin]

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For some reason, at my level (45) with RDM, I can't ever get a party, unless I main heal. For some reason, almost all of the NAs on my server will want the RDM for healing, and a BRD for refreshing. I've met people at 45 who will refuse to party without a BRD. I'm like WTF? I'm not a bad RDM, I keep a Refresh Cycle, and at 48, I'll be keeping Haste Cycles. I Magic Burst, and will use Regen or Cure II whenever the WHM is low on MP. My parties at 45 are 6-8k an hour (Yes, they're very good) when I'm not main healing on RDM. I guess I'll have to LFG during JP/EU time and hope I get a party like I did with WHM. Because right now, NA people are pissing me off (No, I'm not trying to act Japanese or European, but the 90% of NA people at my level think RDMs suck at refreshing and want a COR or a BRD, WHAT THE HELL?) I guess I'm on a server full of dumbasses.

[Mhurron]

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For some reason, at my level (45) with RDM, I can't ever get a party, unless I main heal. For some reason, almost all of the NAs on my server will want the RDM for healing, and a BRD for refreshing. I've met people at 45 who will refuse to party without a BRD. I'm like WTF? I'm not a bad RDM, I keep a Refresh Cycle, and at 48, I'll be keeping Haste Cycles.

Thing is, doing all that, while main healing AND preventing downtime (the whole reason you were invited instead of a whm, and the party expects no downtime actually) is not really possible without a BRD-RDM back line, even then it works best when the BRD has Ballad 2. After giving that a try right after 41, you can count me among the RDM who will refuse to main heal without a BRD in the party.

It's just a phase, you'll be invited more often to be a RDM instead of a RDM and a WHM when the party, esp NIN tanks, realize they don't want to live without Erase.

[Murphie]

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If you hate a mob, wouldn't you rather do anything possible to make sure it dies?



Interestingly enough, in my LS yesterday I heard a fellow RDM say something amusing. I won't say it, but I think the "attitude-problem" is these n00bs (not newbies) know they're going to get exp some way or another, regardless of how bad they do..

You know, when I said my RDM friend hated Anticans, I didn't also say she didn't cast dispel. Of course she did. She just hated being next on the hate list when they'd do the hate clearing JA. I pointed that out to Jei, but I guess he was grumpy or something.

And yeah, it's pretty clear that a lot of RDMs can get away with murder because they are going to get the invites regardless. Heck, I've been in parties that have taken crap RDMs that I swore to never party with again, and I've had to leave because they didn't need a WHM nearly as much as they needed that refresh. (Or at least, they felt like they didn't.)

[Rodin]

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Thing is, doing all that, while main healing AND preventing downtime (the whole reason you were invited instead of a whm, and the party expects no downtime actually) is not really possible without a BRD-RDM back line, even then it works best when the BRD has Ballad 2. After giving that a try right after 41, you can count me among the RDM who will refuse to main heal without a BRD in the party.

It's just a phase, you'll be invited more often to be a RDM instead of a RDM and a WHM when the party, esp NIN tanks, realize they don't want to live without Erase.

Most of the time I don't have a BRD, that's the problem. These idiots are always like "The RDM can heal, let's get another BLM" and it's ALWAYS A PALADIN TANK. So that's PLD BLM BLM RDM I have to refresh, and god forbid we have a BLU in the party. I don't know why people think this, but a party that's PLD DD DD BLM BLM RDM will have more downtime than a party that's PLD DD DD BLM WHM RDM, because the RDM is using up all their MP in 2-3 fights, even while trying to rest (Which is impossible, because he needs to keep refresh up). I just think my server's full of idiots at this level. :/