Crusader for justice

[Murphie]

Re: Crusader for justice

I'm confused. You just quoted Kailea saying that RMT hurt the game, which drives home the point that she says she never claimed that it didn't.

[Matera]

Re: Crusader for justice

There, fixed, I Copypasted the wrong quote. Thanks Ael.

[DakAttack]

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Double take!

[Murphie]

Re: Crusader for justice

There, fixed, I Copypasted the wrong quote. Thanks Ael.

It's the copy editor in me.

[Matera]

Re: Crusader for justice

It's the copy editor in me.

And leave it to me to screw something important to my argument up, that that, or calling JcBlue Dave .

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Crusader for justice

Good old Kailea, never ceases to put a smile on my face.

Starting to see why he objected so vehemently to, "The list that shall not be named!" I would ask the question though, isn't it somewhat of a paradox that such a known S-E fanboi knowingly associates with RMT on a regular basis and doesn't report them considering they're in direct violation of the ToS imposed by the wonderful, fluffy S-E?

[Raydeus]

Re: Crusader for justice

Kailea has a point though even though maybe he didn't explain it very well.


There are two kinds of RMT players so to speak, the ones that get their gil using the game mechanics and those who use hacks.

The fact that they sell the gil is illegal no matter how you look at it, however unless you can get proof of the actual transaction there isn't much evidence to work with.


That leaves the way they obtain that gil as the best way to spot them.

Those who use hacks are easier to spot, as it was shown by all the RMT accounts that got banned for using exploits to create gil.

The RMT who don't cheat or use hacks are tougher to stop simply because they aren't doing anything illegal until they sell the gil.

They might camp a NM over and over again, they might hog that NM and get 99% of the claims, and still SE can't do anything about it simply because that's the way the game works, and any player with enough time in their hands can do that.

Many legit players actually made their gil doing that, remember Castle Oztroja? Many legit players made a lot of gil simply hogging the coffers. (Which is why some drops were simply turned Rare/Ex and the regular items thrown to BC, etc.)

The same way many players can't get x item because it's always camped by other players is the same way some LSs simply can't get a drop because either RMT or other players are camping it. So, unless the alleged RMT are using any kind of hack to get an advantage to get a claim then SE can't do much about it.

That's why I liked more the idea of making NM drops Rare/Ex and place the regular items as BC drops. That way no one would be able to hog the drops and control the market, although some people didn't like the idea because even though they weren't RMT they liked the idea of controlling the market of x item.

That's yet another problem, a lot of LS used the same tactics as RMT, such MPK and stuff like that, which also make it harder to draw a line to determine who is RMT and who isn't unless you have proof of a transaction or a hack taking place.



But anyway I'm tired and I wanna go play so I'm out for today.

[Maju]

Re: Crusader for justice

The same way many players can't get x item because it's always camped by other players is the same way some LSs simply can't get a drop because either RMT or other players are camping it. So, unless the alleged RMT are using any kind of hack to get an advantage to get a claim then SE can't do much about it.

Which is very unfortunate since it absolutely sucks to lose claim to someone who doesn't even care about the drops but only wants them so they can sell them for real life money.

[Kailea]

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Kailea has a point though even though maybe he didn't explain it very well.


There are two kinds of RMT players so to speak, the ones that get their gil using the game mechanics and those who use hacks.

The fact that they sell the gil is illegal no matter how you look at it, however unless you can get proof of the actual transaction there isn't much evidence to work with.


That leaves the way they obtain that gil as the best way to spot them.

Those who use hacks are easier to spot, as it was shown by all the RMT accounts that got banned for using exploits to create gil.

The RMT who don't cheat or use hacks are tougher to stop simply because they aren't doing anything illegal until they sell the gil.

They might camp a NM over and over again, they might hog that NM and get 99% of the claims, and still SE can't do anything about it simply because that's the way the game works, and any player with enough time in their hands can do that.

Many legit players actually made their gil doing that, remember Castle Oztroja? Many legit players made a lot of gil simply hogging the coffers. (Which is why some drops were simply turned Rare/Ex and the regular items thrown to BC, etc.)

The same way many players can't get x item because it's always camped by other players is the same way some LSs simply can't get a drop because either RMT or other players are camping it. So, unless the alleged RMT are using any kind of hack to get an advantage to get a claim then SE can't do much about it.

That's why I liked more the idea of making NM drops Rare/Ex and place the regular items as BC drops. That way no one would be able to hog the drops and control the market, although some people didn't like the idea because even though they weren't RMT they liked the idea of controlling the market of x item.

That's yet another problem, a lot of LS used the same tactics as RMT, such MPK and stuff like that, which also make it harder to draw a line to determine who is RMT and who isn't unless you have proof of a transaction or a hack taking place.



But anyway I'm tired and I wanna go play so I'm out for today.

thank you I really suck at wording myself......

Double Post Edited:

Good old Kailea, never ceases to put a smile on my face.

Starting to see why he objected so vehemently to, "The list that shall not be named!" I would ask the question though, isn't it somewhat of a paradox that such a known S-E fanboi knowingly associates with RMT on a regular basis and doesn't report them considering they're in direct violation of the ToS imposed by the wonderful, fluffy S-E?

1) sto pcalling me a fanboy.. I am not
2) I never said I associate with gilsellers, I said "I would rather"

Stop makeing it seem like I am some retard because I am not, I have my own morals that I go by just like you all. Really some of you need to stop with all the "justice" BS you may see it as Justice, but many others see it as being a-holeish and breaking the rules, and yeah I still would like the list removed.....but that is for another thread

[Auron517]

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You made it clear in your previous posts that you would associate with known gilsellers, just because they didn't bot or mpk. That's pretty retarded.

[Balfree]

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Ok, i know its a fun subject and everyone has opinions but lets keep flame baits and insults out of the discussion because in the battle against gilsellers we dont want to hurt our fellow legit player, remember, its them (RMT) that we need to insult, or nuke, or warp, and steal oreos from.

[Grizzlebeard]

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You're right of course Balfree, it's just too easy at times though. I can resist everything but temptation.

[Balfree]

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Well i just saw the word "retard" a couple times and if theres any retardedness here, its the lack of oreos.

In any case, i personally dont care for this discussion anymore, but lets keep it civil~

[Kailea]

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You made it clear in your previous posts that you would associate with known gilsellers, just because they didn't bot or mpk. That's pretty retarded.

goes back tp people not reading a whole post... I said I would rather associate myself with a nice legit playing RMT rather then an a-hole player that thinks he is right in the name of "justice"To be honest I dont have any one that I know of that is RMT in my friends list, I am just saying if I ever had the choice.....people please read!

[Grizzlebeard]

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I said I would rather associate myself with a nice legit playing RMT

You can't really say you wouldn't hang with an idiot player who breaks the rules but would hang out with a nice polite RMT (who breaks S-E's ToS). They're essentially one in the same, if you break the ToS you're equally likely to get punished. Associating, hypothetically, with RMT makes you as bad as the RMT in as much as you are aiding their continued existence and supporting their RMT activities. Whether that be assisting them if they CFH, helping them to level by joining parties with them, or by buying gil.