Crusader for justice

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

I know this GS do hurt the game, I am not denying this, but what I am saying is just because they are a GS, does not mean they are a heartless MPKing hacker, many have put the two togeather and you cant, because like most lagit players, ther are also.... funny word.... Legit Gilsellers :p


I dont "roll over and take it" I call a GM if I am being harassed by a Gilseller

If a "known Gilseller" is there and hacking and can tell hes hacking, I call a GM

But if a "known gilseller" is camping next to me, not bothering me and not cheating, I am goign to leave him alone

[DakAttack]

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How many still use legitimate tactics to claim NMs? There's always going to be at least one in a group botting, one in a group Fleetooling, and another doing God knows what for another unfair advantage.

I kinda don't think you've camped with them much. The more you're around them, the more you hate them.

[Kailea]

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I have been around them plenty enuff, I just dont judge based on BS

[Raydeus]

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They will be back. They will always be back, because nobody can/wants to eliminate them permanently. We can only dent their profit by whatever tiny margin we can.

That's them. I'm me. I MPK/Warp gilsellers, not innocents. In fact, I make friends with innocents. I go after gilsellers.

If we had conclusive evidence, we wouldn't need to do this, because SE would have handled it. Also, I'm completely sure on who my targets are. I don't pick people with a different language or funny names, but I do have a good amount of criteria. And usually, if the seller doesn't bother me, I won't investigate. Yes, it's selective, but yes, it works.

And yeah, we do harrass sellers. So what? They fuck up our game, give lazy people easy breaks, reward the rich, fuck up the economy... Save all that bullshit for the real world, not my personal escape.

And the rules aren't followed as is, they're selling bloody gil.

Even if you had a fail-safe way to judge who is a gilseller and who isn't (which I really, really doubt), can you say the same about all the other "vigilante players"?

The problem with this is you can't just say "Ok I'm a vigilante, but only me eh?". You might think you are special and that you know what you are doing, but if you were allowed to do as you pleased then everyone else would be allowed as well. That includes RMT, that includes all those noobs that cry RMT whenever they lose a claim regardless if they lost a claim to a legit player or not.

I'm sure we'd get more "witch hunt vigilantes" just looking for someone to burn that we would get "legit vigilantes" (and I use legit in a very, very loose way).

You are the one bringing real world bs to the game doing what you are doing. But it's your choice, I'm not trying to convince anyone, just saying what I tihnk.

[DakAttack]

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Like I said earlier, which you chose not to believe, you don't judge who is and isn't RMT. You can almost instantly tell who's an outsider. Just checking random people as you walk through Jeuno and EXP camps serves to build a sense of community. It's not a witch hunt, it's just opportunity. Unfortunately opportunity rarely shows its face so we have few stories to share.

I thought it was ironic, where you recently quoted one of my posts, that you so easily believe'd Feba's opinion of how many people buy gil. Five percent on a regular basis? It seemed more like 30% on Seraph, and I could easily tell who it was if they were in a social circle close to mine.

[Amovorite]

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Hahahah.... an 'honest' RMT? Please....

Take that RMT who leveled his/her clothcraft to 100 or whatever. You have any idea how much it takes to get any craft to 100? Where do you think that person got all that gil? It certainly wasn't from farming all of the ingredients. All that money had to come from somewhere, and it's far more than likely that it came from his/her fellow RMT, who ARE using hacks/bots/MPK to beat out the legitimate players on NM/HNM claims. No matter what an RMT does to make their gil, the end result will always be the same in that the gil they make will be sold. There are no levels to the decency of an RMT. They are all at the bottom of the same scummy barrel.

So one player cannot stop RMT, or get rid of them. How many players have been stopped by RMT, or ran out of the game by them? Possibly a few, but I'll bet it wasn't from just one RMT. It was from a group. A very well-coordinated group. Those who come in and monopolize areas and use dirty tactics such as hacking, botting, and MPKs to get what they need and force the rest out. Their coordinated efforts against legitimate players are causing problems. Even when they managed to MPK people, it was a coordinated event. Sure players can call GMs. But I wonder what the ratio is to GMs who do something and GMs who do nothing. When the same damn RMT group does the same damn type of MPK tactic, and the GMs STILL do nothing about it, it wouldn't come as a surprise when a player has taken enough of the abuse and decides to strike back. Personally, I haven't MPK's any RMT, or tried any dirty tactics on them, but I don't blame those that do. All these ideas of pacifism though... disgusting.

[Raydeus]

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I thought it was ironic, where you recently quoted one of my posts, that you so easily believe'd Feba's opinion of how many people buy gil. Five percent on a regular basis? It seemed more like 30% on Seraph, and I could easily tell who it was if they were in a social circle close to mine.

Not that I believed it, but if what Feba says is true all I can say is Ouch, and if what you say is true and its more like 30% of regular buyers in Seraph that would be Ouch +3

However it's all speculation, maybe you think it's a bigger percent because you see gilbuyers everywhere, or maybe Feba is being optimistic.

Either way it is a big ouch. As long as people buy gil the gilsellers will be in the game like freaking cockroaches.

[Matera]

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blah blah blah... all self richeous BS..... really some of you need to grow up

Whoa, you want to play hardball and insult me?

Heh, I'm not even going to waste my time on you.

I know this GS do hurt the game

GS that follow ingame rules and do nothing wrong other then sell gil, are really not hurting anything

Except that.

Learn your arguement better next time.


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And onto a lighter, more civilized, properly typed argument.

QUOTE=Raydeus]Even if you had a fail-safe way to judge who is a gilseller and who isn't (which I really, really doubt), can you say the same about all the other "vigilante players"?

The problem with this is you can't just say "Ok I'm a vigilante, but only me eh?". You might think you are special and that you know what you are doing, but if you were allowed to do as you pleased then everyone else would be allowed as well. That includes RMT, that includes all those noobs that cry RMT whenever they lose a claim regardless if they lost a claim to a legit player or not.

I'm sure we'd get more "witch hunt vigilantes" just looking for someone to burn that we would get "legit vigilantes" (and I use legit in a very, very loose way).

You are the one bringing real world bs to the game doing what you are doing. But it's your choice, I'm not trying to convince anyone, just saying what I tihnk. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, I understand that people are going to take it out of proportion. People do with everything. Football fanaticism, tupperware, you name it. I mean, really, what kind of party is a tupperware party?

As for me bringing real world BS... They're breaking the "laws" of the game. That's real world BS. Something I can't do in real life, be a vigilante, is fun ingame.

[Kailea]

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I know my argument, learn to read.....

in general RMT hurt our game, but its more like this......

hacking mpking RMT = 75%-85%
legit RMT = 10%-15%

the legit RMT do not really hurt the game compaired to how much a hacking RMT can and will

I like I said before, and like with most things its not just black and white like alot think it is, there is grey in there

please everyone think of the grey ^.^

[Matera]

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There's no such thing as legit RMT. They're illegal. Period.

[Rodin]

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There's no such thing as legit RMT. They're illegal. Period.

QTF

People don't seem to grasp this concept.

[Kailea]

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no you two dont seem to grasp my concept -.-

yeah gilselling in any shape or form is bad... but if RMT HAD to exsit and you could not get rid of it, witch would you rather?

hacking RMT or legit playing RMT?

when I say legit RMT I am refreing to how they play and get their gil, not what they do with it

[Rodin]

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no you two dont seem to grasp my concept -.-

yeah gilselling in any shape or form is bad... but if RMT HAD to exsit and you could not get rid of it, witch would you rather?

hacking RMT or legit playing RMT?

when I say legit RMT I am refreing to how they play and get their gil, not what they do with it

Its not a rhetorical argument though. RMT SHOULDN'T exist, that's the thing. Calling a gun a boomstick still makes it a gun. Calling an RMT Legit or Illigitimate still makes them an RMT. Vigilanteism is wrong, but the thing is, we're paying to play this game, and sometimes it's necessary to do some things that are wrong for a greater good. Like if you DII an RMT, that's wrong, but still, that means they're wasting more time, and not making any gil, or getting a mob's ToD.

If you don't think RMTs hurt the economy, and it's all the player's faults, you're dead wrong. I've tried to explain it in other posts, and don't want to have to drag on this argument again, but this is still true:

RMT is against the ToS.

DIIing a person isn't though. The second they take that invite from the person who's going to DII them, they make it okay to have themselves DIIed.

[Kailea]

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RMT should not exsist.. but guess what, it does, so deal with it, like crime in RL, it should not be there but it is, and take matters into your own hands can and will lead to jail time just like in real life.

did I ever say I though RMT did not hurt game? no I know it does, but it is also players that do the dame thing for selfish reasons and Vigilants that also make the game suck.

yeah RMT is against the ToS, but it is done anyway, even by normal players

DIIing when not wanted and tricked into getting one, by the new ToS is againt the rules..... it is technicaly listed under the section on frud and/or harasment

[Matera]

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did I ever say I though RMT did not hurt game?

GS that follow ingame rules and do nothing wrong other then sell gil, are really not hurting anything

There you go.

Also: As far as I'm concerned, whether they're good RMT or not, they're RMT. They deserve to be fucked around with as much as possible. They don't play the game for enjoyment, so they ruin it and make it profitable for themselves. It's being selfish on a HUGE scale.