Crusader for justice

[DakAttack]

Re: Crusader for justice

the "gilsellers" where doing nothing wrong

Roflroflrofl

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

Roflroflrofl

......like I said, I would rather make friends with a nice gilseller that plays by the rules, then try and make friends with some of the MPKing, stealing, harasing a-holes here.......

and I dont like what gilsellers/buys have done to the game...so what does that tell you :p

[Raydeus]

Re: Crusader for justice

And that's the 'Bend over and take it' attitude we all detest.

People need to realize when following the rules isn't going to cut it anymore. People need to adapt and overcome, but only while fully understanding the possible consequences of their actions, like Ael said.

I'm a firm believer that rules must adapt to the situation as well. When the authorities are unwilling to deal with the matter at hand, somebody else must.

Somebody else must, hmm... you?

Ok so what exactly have you acomplished with your crusade? (Besides relieving some frustration you have bottled up inside).

How many gilsellers have you driven out of the game?

How many accounts have you cancelled?

How much gil have you prevented RMT from getting?

Don't give me that "I'm making them suffer" crap because that doesn't cut it. Give me facts, show to me that all that stuff you are doing is actually doing anything to RMT.

In my opinion what you are doing is more likely to have a bad impact on inocent players then it ever will on RMT.

SE is adapting rules to slowdown RMT and make it easier to detect them, but they can't go on a banning rampage without proof, and no, you pointing at someone and saying "everyone knows" isn't proof.


Edit > Added another quote.

[Maju]

Re: Crusader for justice

......like I said, I would rather make friends with a nice gilseller that plays by the rules, then try and make friends with some of the MPKing, stealing, harasing a-holes here.......

The very existence of a preofessional (I don't mind people selling their stuff when they quit.) gil seller is against the rules. Being against the rules in itself is not necessarily bad, however, these people really do have a negative impact on the game and are thus scum not unlike any other a-hole.

[Kailea]

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The very existence of a preofessional (I don't mind people selling their stuff when they quit.) gil seller is against the rules. Being against the rules in itself is not necessarily bad, however, these people really do have a negative impact on the game and are thus scum not unlike any other a-hole.

I know people dont need to drill the "they have ruined the game" idea in my head I know all to well -.- but really they have not completly ruined the game or we would all quit -.- so what does this "crusade" reall get anyone? nothing.......

[Matera]

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Sorry, just read the first post after mine, and uh...

[GM]Dave = [GM]JcBlue

NOW it's relevant! (^^)b

Edit1:

Alrighty, as for why we do it:

We do it because even if it doesn't hinder them (Which it does, just like anybody else.), it makes us feel better.

Because we feel cheated.

And Kailea, gilsellers being there is clearly wrong, as they're breaking the ToS.

Edit2:

Also, I saw a group of 4 people MPKing Ulean and Shak, 2 well known sellers on Odin. This was to preventing them from getting Sozu Rogberry, and guess what? It worked.

One less theif's knife for them!

[Raydeus]

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Also, I saw a group of 4 people MPKing Ulean and Shak, 2 well known sellers on Odin. This was to preventing them from getting Sozu Rogberry, and guess what? It worked.

One less theif's knife for them!

If that makes you feel better... but I dunno if it's worth it risking your account just for something like that, if they really are RMT they will be back later anyway.

And what will happen when those people label an inocent player a gilseller and start to mpk just because they can?


If you had conclusive evidence that someone is RMT you could just get them banned, but if you don't there's always the chance you are misjudging someone.

And many more will just yell RMT for losing a claim on a NM (even if it's a Rare/Ex item ) and MPK or harass someone "cuz they r gilsellers!!!1".



If rules aren't followed anyone would exploit them, including RMT, and most of the time it would be inocent players who'd pay .

[Balfree]

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Havent ruined anything.. hm.. i wonder how many people would quit if all the gil they bought was taken away from them, and all the stuff they bought with that gil was taken away too.

And if by some sort of irony the prices in AH remained as high as they are now.. i wonder just how many people would quit if suddenly they couldnt afford to buy gil.

One thing is for sure: SE would have to re-fix besieged, if you know what i mean.

[Raydeus]

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Havent ruined anything.. hm.. i wonder how many people would quit if all the gil they bought was taken away from them, and all the stuff they bought with that gil was taken away too.

And if by some sort of irony the prices in AH remained as high as they are now.. i wonder just how many people would quit if suddenly they couldnt afford to buy gil.

One thing is for sure: SE would have to re-fix besieged, if you know what i mean.

People who buy gil wouldn't survive a day without that, it would be so nice to watch.

But do you really think so many people would quit? Has anyone seen any info on what percentage of the player population buy gil on a regular basis?

[DakAttack]

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Somebody else must, hmm... you?

Ok so what exactly have you acomplished with your crusade? (Besides relieving some frustration you have bottled up inside).

How many gilsellers have you driven out of the game?

How many accounts have you cancelled?

How much gil have you prevented RMT from getting?

Don't give me that "I'm making them suffer" crap because that doesn't cut it. Give me facts, show to me that all that stuff you are doing is actually doing anything to RMT.

Nobody ever said we're accomplishing much, but it's far better to try and fail than to do nothing at all and bitch from the sidelines.

In my opinion what you are doing is more likely to have a bad impact on inocent players then it ever will on RMT.

And that's where you're wrong. You obviously don't understand the concept of a community. I'm not playing World of Warcraft, this is Final Fantasy XI, where the severs are small enough that you see the same people multiple times per day. Maybe it's only you that isn't in tune with this concept of community? I know I can easily recognize the outsiders after being in the community for so long.

SE is adapting rules to slowdown RMT and make it easier to detect them, but they can't go on a banning rampage without proof, and no, you pointing at someone and saying "everyone knows" isn't proof.

If you have the sense of community, then yes, yes you can. SE and GMs obviously don't.

You're just going to attempt to dispute the sense of community as having no proof, but you'll be wrong.

[Feba]

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i'm sure less than 5% buy gil on a regular basis. I'm sure over 50% have bought gil at one point or another, though.

[Raydeus]

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Nobody ever said we're accomplishing much, but it's far better to try and fail than to do nothing at all and bitch from the sidelines.



And that's where you're wrong. You obviously don't understand the concept of a community. I'm not playing World of Warcraft, this is Final Fantasy XI, where the severs are small enough that you see the same people multiple times per day. Maybe it's only you that isn't in tune with this concept of community? I know I can easily recognize the outsiders after being in the community for so long.



If you have the sense of community, then yes, yes you can. SE and GMs obviously don't.

You're just going to attempt to dispute the sense of community as having no proof, but you'll be wrong.

Oh please, why not just be honest and say you don't want to take the time to really do something against RMT but instead you just want a pretext to take your anger and frustration onto someone.

Interestingly enough the people who you say are bitching in the sidelines are the ones who make proper reports about players breaking the TOS, while you just go shouting "gilseller!! witch!!! gilsellers!!!" with your little torch and acomplish nothing.

Seriously...


Edit> If you really wanna play the community card, then try to convince the community to stop buying gil, that would be a real part of the solution.

i'm sure less than 5% buy gil on a regular basis. I'm sure over 50% have bought gil at one point or another, though.

Ouch

[Matera]

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If that makes you feel better... but I dunno if it's worth it risking your account just for something like that, if they really are RMT they will be back later anyway.

And what will happen when those people label an inocent player a gilseller and start to mpk just because they can?


If you had conclusive evidence that someone is RMT you could just get them banned, but if you don't there's always the chance you are misjudging someone.

And many more will just yell RMT for losing a claim on a NM (even if it's a Rare/Ex item ) and MPK or harass someone "cuz they r gilsellers!!!1".



If rules aren't followed anyone would exploit them, including RMT, and most of the time it would be inocent players who'd pay .

They will be back. They will always be back, because nobody can/wants to eliminate them permanently. We can only dent their profit by whatever tiny margin we can.

That's them. I'm me. I MPK/Warp gilsellers, not innocents. In fact, I make friends with innocents. I go after gilsellers.

If we had conclusive evidence, we wouldn't need to do this, because SE would have handled it. Also, I'm completely sure on who my targets are. I don't pick people with a different language or funny names, but I do have a good amount of criteria. And usually, if the seller doesn't bother me, I won't investigate. Yes, it's selective, but yes, it works.

And yeah, we do harrass sellers. So what? They fuck up our game, give lazy people easy breaks, reward the rich, fuck up the economy... Save all that bullshit for the real world, not my personal escape.

And the rules aren't followed as is, they're selling bloody gil.

[Kailea]

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They will be back. They will always be back, because nobody can/wants to eliminate them permanently. We can only dent their profit by whatever tiny margin we can.

That's them. I'm me. I MPK/Warp gilsellers, not innocents. In fact, I make friends with innocents. I go after gilsellers.

If we had conclusive evidence, we wouldn't need to do this, because SE would have handled it. Also, I'm completely sure on who my targets are. I don't pick people with a different language or funny names, but I do have a good amount of criteria. And usually, if the seller doesn't bother me, I won't investigate. Yes, it's selective, but yes, it works.

And yeah, we do harrass sellers. So what? They fuck up our game, give lazy people easy breaks, reward the rich, fuck up the economy... Save all that bullshit for the real world, not my personal escape.

And the rules aren't followed as is, they're selling bloody gil.

blah blah blah... all self richeous BS..... really some of you need to grow up

There are GS that break every rule known to man, those are the ones ruining the game

GS that follow ingame rules and do nothing wrong other then sell gil, are really not hurting anything

MPKing and D2ing are very childish acts, and you all should really stop doing them, or I will laugh the day you get banned

[Mog]

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blah blah blah... all self richeous BS..... really some of you need to grow up

There are GS that break every rule known to man, those are the ones ruining the game

GS that follow ingame rules and do nothing wrong other then sell gil, are really not hurting anything

MPKing and D2ing are very childish acts, and you all should really stop doing them, or I will laugh the day you get banned

I concur. It's not in my best interest to stoop to their level.

What I disagree with is that GS's don't hurt anyone..... they inadvertedly drive up inflation, which has a negative influence on a lot of players. (especially low-level players) Plus, a lot of gs's are driven by illegal third party programs, which makes NM hunting less-fun and productive.