Crusader for justice

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

People need to realize when following the rules isn't going to cut it anymore. People need to adapt and overcome, but only while fully understanding the possible consequences of their actions, like Ael said.

I'm a firm believer that rules must adapt to the situation as well. When the authorities are unwilling to deal with the matter at hand, somebody else must.

There is a diffrance from "unwilling to deal with the matter at hand" and "cant deal with the matter at hand"

From what some of you are saying, you want GMs to beable to ban whoever they want without any proof at all, or very crappy proof -.- If GMs could do this, then half of the servers would be banned from people pointing fingures just so they could get what they want. You would get alot of "if you dont give me (blank) I will tell a GM you bot/hack" and by your law, that person would get banned because a GM was told they hack/bot........

yeah great work there.........

good night I had a crapy day at work..... getting some sleep and will check back on this retarded ass thread in the morning.......

[Tirrock]

Re: Crusader for justice

Yet you keep the "retarded ass thread" alive!

One last time. People killing gilsellers doesn't effect you. (At least, not unless you're a gilseller.)

[Feba]

Re: Crusader for justice

Yes it does.


It clogs up GMs, which in turn makes GMs less likely to help/be able to help when there actually IS a problem. MPK can kill innocents as well, and not to mention the fact that you have no solid proof a lot of the time.

[Matera]

Re: Crusader for justice

-GMs cant ban without good proof
-Players can not take matters in their own hands (without geting banned themselves)
-Not all Gilsellers cheat, many play the game lagitly
-a charater on 24/7 does not lable them a Gilsellers... I had 3 friends that played oen charater on EQ just tl get it really high fast, or get alot of money when they needed new armor.

...

Gilselling is not really right...

- Remember [GM]Dave? Strike one.
- Doesn't matter. They break the ToS regardless. Strike two.
- It's not only that, but a number of different behaviors. On top of that, although, I mean, I haven't read the ToS, but sharing your account information with anybody is against the ToS. Strike three, on both accounts.

I'd also like to point out that the pink underlining, bolding, and italicizing isn't mine, but that passage is word for word.

Make what you will of it.

I personally take it as part of your passive attitude. Laying down and taking it, anybody?

What if an extremely good friend of yours warped some asshole for continuously stealing mining points of theirs EVERY single time they tried to mine? What if the thief was told to stop, and didn't? What if the thief was part of a group of people that mine in Gusgen non-stop, and what one of them admitted to being on a "team" together? Would you blame them for warping them?

Hell, what if somebody admitted to being a gilseller, after doing all of the above?

Would you not say that the gilseller is interfering with your friends' play?

Or would you remove their pearlsack and take them of your friendlist?

[Feba]

Re: Crusader for justice

- Remember [GM]Dave? Strike one.

There's a big difference between the line that they can ban you at any time for any reason, and the *policy* they have to follow.

[Stivlobits]

Re: Crusader for justice

- Remember [GM]Dave? Strike one.

Erm... you know he doesn't actually exist, right? Because he's not real, how can this apply in any way?

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

Time for the funni.



Im not a vigilante. Im in ffxi for fun. Sorry, ill do whatever i want in my game, and no i wont be admired if i get banned, its called being aware of the world around me, and bending reality doesnt mean wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo warping into another dimension weeee! like if i were on mushrooms or something. It was a matter of speech that i used since you didnt get my point before which i dont blame you for since i know my english is far from perfect but i wont even bother because... i dont care :D

One thing is for sure, D2 will never, ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever get me banned. O ok, its against the tos to harass, suuuuuuuure it is. But i know SE, we know SE, if they ever tell me anything about having D2'd someone, all i will say is.. "oops, wrong macro" and be done with it, aslong as i dont make it public that i did it on purpose... which i did here... o wellz :\

So i'm a criminal ingame! Woo! Fun fun, in the crime world there are 2 types: the ones that succeed and the ones that get caught. I can only be laughed at if i get caught, and right now im still standing up. So technically, im right and everyone else is wrong in that argument and its pretty much case closed, any commentary is pretty pointless, the facts are layed out.

This thread makes me wanna go D2 some more gilsellers. Maybe even try to MPK them, i wonder if more people will be mad at me.

Perhaps they can go shout in jeuno: ROHLAN MPKs GILSELLERS DONT BUY HIS POISON POTIONS!11

Man that would ruin my sales...

Next time you see a gilseller do the community a favor and

[Stivlobits]

Re: Crusader for justice

<snip>

You were just looking for an excuse to use that "Lol Zerg Rush" image, weren't you?

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

Damn ive been waiting for a chance for months now..

All im trying to say really is..

Chill.

Double Post Edited:
and ... its zerg rvsh, please.

[Yuanlung]

Re: Crusader for justice

Yet you keep the "retarded ass thread" alive!

One last time. People killing gilsellers doesn't effect you. (At least, not unless you're a gilseller.)

Yes it does.


- If any retard can point a finger at me, call me a gilseller and try to MPK me, just because I've been camping something they want too, it would get annoying.

- Wether the victims are real gilsellers or not, the numerous MPK incidents eventually justified the implementation of that anti-mpk system which messed up BST's and long pulls.

[Tirrock]

Re: Crusader for justice

The funny part is that this is even a debate. What would you MPK gilsellers with anyway? You have a handful of worthless NMs that they don't try to kill in areas where they usually are.

A windurst (or maybe bastok) mission NM in davoi, which is surrounded by a ton of orcs that are EP to level 75s. A fairly long run to the jugitsu gi NM too. The happy wyvern in kuftal, which is rarely up, and gilsellers could kill if they had some real skill. A handful of NMs in onzozo, but any party able to kill LoO would be able to kill one of those NMs. In sky there's caretakers, which aren't even that hard. (Funny enough, the gilsellers seem to be the ones attempting to MPK players with these, not players MPKing gilsellers.)

GMs seem to be bogged down no matter what. Back when I first started, it took 25-30 minutes for a call to get answered. This was before gilsellers were even around. The last time I called a GM (april) it took me 30 minutes to get it answered.

Considering the general lack of GM response, I'd guess that people MPKing gilsellers isn't causing a huge effect on how many calls they take. I personally haven't heard of gilsellers calling GMs on people. I've heard them threaten it though.

I just want to see this thread dead. (I'm aware I'm being a hypocrite.) I'm tired of gilseller arguements. You always have three sides to it. (Pro-MPKing gilsellers. Anti-MPKing gilsellers. Neutral. Personally, I'm neutral on me. It has no effect on me at all, and no effect on anybody I know. I don't go around saying we should kill them all, but I don't think we should defend them if people are out to get them.)

Now, if you or your friends have been MPKed by people MPKing gilsellers, then I feel bad for you. However, with MPK adjustments, I don't hear of that happening any more. Still, to make people happy, I'll change what I said.

"People d2ing gilsellers doesn't effect you."

And don't even say that somebody might d2 you thinking you're a gilseller.
/pcmd kick Player

I'm not telling people to go out and try to MPK gilsellers or steal from them. (As far as it goes, I think logging on a mule to steal a bunch of expensive items from a crafting gilseller is low.) I'm telling people to stop getting so defensive over actions that have little to no effect on them. I should probably take my own advice and just stop replying to this. Nobody is forcing me to read this.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Crusader for justice

You can MPK a gilseller.
You can tell people not to PT with a seller.
A GM can delete their accounts.
You can make a naive list in hopes of "slowing them down"

The gilseller will still log back in.
The gilseller will still level up.
The gilseller will start a new account.
The gilseller will hardly be slowed down as they're paid to do what they do.

Honestly, only GMs and SE can stop/slow down RMTs effectively. You can't.

And personally, there's scum as bad if not worse than a gilseller in this game. Their customers, for one, I consider worse because in caving-in to the pressure RMT puts on their desires/needs, they've made the game more difficult for the rest of us by encouraging continued RMT presence through thier patronage. Supply means nothing w/o demand and demand is apparently high.

I also consider the shell-hopping resourse leech to be one of them, as well as the golddiggers and thieves. People who do nothing but take take take and give nothing in return to the people that aid them and then fancy themselves to be a "great player." They disgust me.

But guess what? I couldn't stop the shell hoppers, golddiggers and theives from getting into endgame and prospering. For most HNM shells, its not about being a good or talented person, but just being X, Y or Z job and having certain missions done. Those people have loaned out accounts to get them done through others, its possible that's how they also get their Maat, CoP or Dynamis wins. But do HNM shells consider that?

Nope, its all about the bottom line for them. Just like they have good, talented players, they got their RMT-fed wannabe players, too. Heck, some have their own RMT and they don't even know it.

So your crusade for justice is an utterly futile one.

Play the game, we all know the score. Just let the GMs do their job. You just make their jobs harder.

[Maju]

Re: Crusader for justice

There is a diffrance from "unwilling to deal with the matter at hand" and "cant deal with the matter at hand"

From what some of you are saying, you want GMs to beable to ban whoever they want without any proof at all, or very crappy proof -.- If GMs could do this, then half of the servers would be banned from people pointing fingures just so they could get what they want. You would get alot of "if you dont give me (blank) I will tell a GM you bot/hack" and by your law, that person would get banned because a GM was told they hack/bot........

I know it's a tough call, which is why just any GM shouldn't be able to ban anyone on any server. However, let's take Midgardsormr as an example. Anyone who has been playing on Middy for a long time can tell you that the BloodSuckGhostCity (or something like that) is a gil seller LS. There is no doubt, everyone knows it and they aren't trying deny it, yet the GMs do nothing. The effectiveness of the system is drowning in its own bureaucracy.

When a law doesn't work in the real world it gets changed. In the game we're supposed to just bend over and take it?

Tirrock: You do not have to read this thread if you do not want to.

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

I know it's a tough call, which is why just any GM shouldn't be able to ban anyone on any server. However, let's take Midgardsormr as an example. Anyone who has been playing on Middy for a long time can tell you that the BloodSuckGhostCity (or something like that) is a gil seller LS. There is no doubt, everyone knows it and they aren't trying deny it, yet the GMs do nothing. The effectiveness of the system is drowning in its own bureaucracy.

When a law doesn't work in the real world it gets changed. In the game we're supposed to just bend over and take it?

Tirrock: You do not have to read this thread if you do not want to.

ok how does everyone know the LS are gilsellers, I would not dout it myself honestly, but looking at it as a GM, I could not ban a whole LS just because 100+ people told me they where gilsellers, I still have no proof at all, and by the rules, I as a GM would have to follow, I could not ban a single one of them.

Double Post Edited:

- Remember [GM]Dave? Strike one.
- Doesn't matter. They break the ToS regardless. Strike two.
- It's not only that, but a number of different behaviors. On top of that, although, I mean, I haven't read the ToS, but sharing your account information with anybody is against the ToS. Strike three, on both accounts.

I'd also like to point out that the pink underlining, bolding, and italicizing isn't mine, but that passage is word for word.

Make what you will of it.

I personally take it as part of your passive attitude. Laying down and taking it, anybody?

What if an extremely good friend of yours warped some asshole for continuously stealing mining points of theirs EVERY single time they tried to mine? What if the thief was told to stop, and didn't? What if the thief was part of a group of people that mine in Gusgen non-stop, and what one of them admitted to being on a "team" together? Would you blame them for warping them?

Hell, what if somebody admitted to being a gilseller, after doing all of the above?

Would you not say that the gilseller is interfering with your friends' play?

Or would you remove their pearlsack and take them of your friendlist?

....yeah why even bring GMdave into this, and your example is acualy a diffrent situation, in that case the "gilsller" IS hurting a friend and is harassing them by stealing all the points as they go for them, where as in the first two situations, the "gilsellers" where doing nothing wrong

[Raydeus]

Re: Crusader for justice

So i'm a criminal ingame! Woo! Fun fun, in the crime world there are 2 types: the ones that succeed and the ones that get caught. I can only be laughed at if i get caught, and right now im still standing up. So technically, im right and everyone else is wrong in that argument and its pretty much case closed, any commentary is pretty pointless, the facts are layed out.

This thread makes me wanna go D2 some more gilsellers. Maybe even try to MPK them, i wonder if more people will be mad at me.

Perhaps they can go shout in jeuno: ROHLAN MPKs GILSELLERS DONT BUY HIS POISON POTIONS!11

Man that would ruin my sales...

I'm starting to think you haxxored that game against England...