Crusader for justice

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

Ahah XD

Story:

Quicksand Caves, near the NM that drops company sword or whatever it is.

Plenty of gilsellers ofcourse.

Im a BLM.

I anon and take off all my JS gear, and i ask the BLM in the gilseller pt to warp me.

They invite me.

They all get warped. We claim nm. :D

Double Post Edited:
Much better than MPK XD, atleast it didnt get me burned.

Sorry for your loss, i sympathize, but theres nothing you can do...

wow I knew there where alot of A-holes... but damn.......you all should be banned when you do BS like this, I dont care who you do these things to, you are just as bad as a gilseller when you play dirty or steal

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

So you're calling me an asshole, that it? Might wanna slow down there.

The act might be "illegal" (dont remember D2 being illegal though), and no im not a vigilante, but i do what i think is right in my heart, even if its against the "law", the last thing im worrying about is what other people think about it, all that matters to me is what i believe is right and if someone is doing something i think is unfair or wrong, my spidey sense tells me to nuke it, warp it, or stab it.

Sure, taking matters into your own hands is never the best answer, but sometimes reality changes and if you dont act, no one will. Like when i ask someone if they're a gilseller, and they confirm it, i proceed to call GM, and they do nothing, even though the person admitted they sell gil (not this particular situation).

When you see someone steal, then a cop passes by and does nothing to stop it, what do you do? Take it with a grain of salt? Ignore it? I'm sorry, i'm too down to earth to stand by and watch.

Someone who lives their lives only be the rules, and doesnt ever act with instict is someone devoid of feeling, an apathetic being. Probably unable to make it in the real world. Someone who doesnt defend their own things is someone who shouldnt have anything in the first place.

You either buy gil, sell gil, or are just plain apathetic. Because youre probably the only person saying what you just did, which to my understanding is the same as bring approving of gilsellers, who not only sell gil, but also play unfair.

A gilseller is someone who affects everyone ingame, dont give me "player run economy" crap, because thats not all they affect: if you havent been paying attention, all they do is play unfair, they MPK people more than anyone, just go have a nice afternoon near that scorpion NM down in Garlage citadel, or perhaps Ullikumi in sky, have you tried to exp near ullikumi? Its impossible now, though Ulli has existed for a long time, only recently the camp became useless, meaning its them being disruptive. They are unfair, SE doesnt do anything because they cant, since MPK is something they cant avoid without breaking the game, and its not illegal to kill exp mobs even if it renders a whole camp useless. No it's not illegal, but its also not illegal to warp someone, i didnt force them, i didnt hack them, i didnt commit any illegality, yet you're telling me i was wrong.

Now, they commit an actual violation to the TOS by selling gil, and you say its all good? What are you on about? You shun me for warping them, but you approve of something that is harmful in a global way? I dont care if selling gil is illegal, all i care is that it affects me, and all i care is that gilsellers play dirty and are extremely undesirable, and as such, without breaking any rules, i will try and get rid of them even if for 10 minutes. Which is what took them to come back.

To me its fighting fire with fire.

[DakAttack]

Re: Crusader for justice

Ahah XD

Story:

Quicksand Caves, near the NM that drops company sword or whatever it is.

Plenty of gilsellers ofcourse.

Im a BLM.

I anon and take off all my JS gear, and i ask the BLM in the gilseller pt to warp me.

They invite me.

They all get warped. We claim nm. :D

Double Post Edited:
Much better than MPK XD, atleast it didnt get me burned.

Sorry for your loss, i sympathize, but theres nothing you can do...

I always like to hear these stories. When the GSs began botting the small time NMs we used to pull claimed and too weak enemies into the camp and their bots would tab through them. If we found enough we could swamp the bots and have a better chance at claim. Now they just packet sniff...

[Ziero]

Re: Crusader for justice

I love how people only go all 'vigilante' on gil sellers when 'legit' players do the same crap if not worse. How come no one hunts them down in the name of 'justice'. Where are the outcries of 'unfair' and 'if you're not with us you're against us' when a 'legit' player MPKs someone. I never heard any of this crap when a Bst and Brd duo tried to MPK my EXP pt in GC. Or when HNMs pop claimed to 'legit' LS who have members that bot. And what about the ones who steal from actual legit players because they think it's 'right' and 'ok' to do it?

And seriously now, you had to go pick one of the few Gil Sellers who ISN'T Botting and MPKing? One of the few who actually made their gil by using the in game system fairly form what the OP described. Where the only thing you THINK she does that's against the ToS is possibly sell gil. You deserve to be banned, you're a worse problem to this game then she ever was.

Edit: FYI she more then likely got back every item you took from her so it seems she had the last laugh.

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

Those were "Ls-namehere" players. People who openly admit selling gil, from the most known gilseller group in ragnarok.

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

So you're calling me an asshole, that it? Might wanna slow down there.

The act might be "illegal" (dont remember D2 being illegal though), and no im not a vigilante, but i do what i think is right in my heart, even if its against the "law", the last thing im worrying about is what other people think about it, all that matters to me is what i believe is right and if someone is doing something i think is unfair or wrong, my spidey sense tells me to nuke it, warp it, or stab it.

Sure, taking matters into your own hands is never the best answer, but sometimes reality changes and if you dont act, no one will. Like when i ask someone if they're a gilseller, and they confirm it, i proceed to call GM, and they do nothing, even though the person admitted they sell gil (not this particular situation).

When you see someone steal, then a cop passes by and does nothing to stop it, what do you do? Take it with a grain of salt? Ignore it? I'm sorry, i'm too down to earth to stand by and watch.

Someone who lives their lives only be the rules, and doesnt ever act with instict is someone devoid of feeling, an apathetic being. Probably unable to make it in the real world. Someone who doesnt defend their own things is someone who shouldnt have anything in the first place.

You either buy gil, sell gil, or are just plain apathetic. Because youre probably the only person saying what you just did, which to my understanding is the same as bring approving of gilsellers, who not only sell gil, but also play unfair.

A gilseller is someone who affects everyone ingame, dont give me "player run economy" crap, because thats not all they affect: if you havent been paying attention, all they do is play unfair, they MPK people more than anyone, just go have a nice afternoon near that scorpion NM down in Garlage citadel, or perhaps Ullikumi in sky, have you tried to exp near ullikumi? Its impossible now, though Ulli has existed for a long time, only recently the camp became useless, meaning its them being disruptive. They are unfair, SE doesnt do anything because they cant, since MPK is something they cant avoid without breaking the game, and its not illegal to kill exp mobs even if it renders a whole camp useless. No it's not illegal, but its also not illegal to warp someone, i didnt force them, i didnt hack them, i didnt commit any illegality, yet you're telling me i was wrong.

Now, they commit an actual violation to the TOS by selling gil, and you say its all good? What are you on about? You shun me for warping them, but you approve of something that is harmful in a global way? I dont care if selling gil is illegal, all i care is that it affects me, and all i care is that gilsellers play dirty and are extremely undesirable, and as such, without breaking any rules, i will try and get rid of them even if for 10 minutes. Which is what took them to come back.

To me its fighting fire with fire.

hahahahah!, if the shoe fits..... really dont like anyone who acts like an ass ingame to anyone, I would rather PT and make friends with a know gilseller if they where nice and played by the rules when camping and suck, rather then make friends with an a-hole that does things like what some of you are doing here.........


there are two kinds of RMT

1) Ones that break every rule known to man and bot and hack and all that
2) honest ones that dont do any of the above, all they do is sell most of the gil they have to others.

I like (2) then I would people that think they are doing it for "justice"

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

It's not unfair per-se to sell gil, but it's effects are unfair, prices in xmas rise to the extreme, eradicate gilsellers and i guarantee this will not happen anymore by natural causes. That single example right there makes all and any gilselling unfair, any way you look at it. It cant be tolerated.

And the shoe doesnt fit. You said i did something that assholes do, clear as water.

I consider any and all gilsellers weak demented people, and i have little to no respect to them, even if its a saint, to me theyre nothing but an obstacle that hinders me down, unless i cut it down, sometimes it works, sometimes it fails.

"oooh.. but theres gilsellers who do it for food and clothing!"

"Sod off, go to school already." is what i'd say.

[Myaku]

Re: Crusader for justice

So you're calling me an asshole, that it? Might wanna slow down there.

I wouldn't use such a harsh word, but I certainly don't agree with what you did.

The act might be "illegal" (dont remember D2 being illegal though), and no im not a vigilante, but i do what i think is right in my heart, even if its against the "law", the last thing im worrying about is what other people think about it, all that matters to me is what i believe is right and if someone is doing something i think is unfair or wrong, my spidey sense tells me to nuke it, warp it, or stab it.

vig·i·lan·te
n.

1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

Hmmm, maybe my reading comprehensions skills are lacking, but I am pretty sure that make you a vigilante. D2 is not illegal in and of itself, but D2ing someone who did not want to be D2'd falls under harassment. RMT and harassment are both against the ToS.

Sure, taking matters into your own hands is never the best answer, but sometimes reality changes and if you dont act, no one will. Like when i ask someone if they're a gilseller, and they confirm it, i proceed to call GM, and they do nothing, even though the person admitted they sell gil (not this particular situation).

Does no one else see the hypocrisy in breaking the ToS to enforce the ToS?

When you see someone steal, then a cop passes by and does nothing to stop it, what do you do? Take it with a grain of salt? Ignore it? I'm sorry, i'm too down to earth to stand by and watch.

Someone who lives their lives only be the rules, and doesnt ever act with instict is someone devoid of feeling, an apathetic being. Probably unable to make it in the real world. Someone who doesnt defend their own things is someone who shouldnt have anything in the first place.

Sweeping generalizations aren't a good defense.

You either buy gil, sell gil, or are just plain apathetic. Because youre probably the only person saying what you just did, which to my understanding is the same as bring approving of gilsellers, who not only sell gil, but also play unfair.

Just because someone does not approve of what you do, does not mean they approve of what an RMT does. I frown upon anyone who RMTs, MPKs, harasses, or steals.

A gilseller is someone who affects everyone ingame, dont give me "player run economy" crap, because thats not all they affect: if you havent been paying attention, all they do is play unfair, they MPK people more than anyone, just go have a nice afternoon near that scorpion NM down in Garlage citadel, or perhaps Ullikumi in sky, have you tried to exp near ullikumi? Its impossible now, though Ulli has existed for a long time, only recently the camp became useless, meaning its them being disruptive.

Agreed.

They are unfair, SE doesnt do anything because they cant, since MPK is something they cant avoid without breaking the game, and its not illegal to kill exp mobs even if it renders a whole camp useless. No it's not illegal, but its also not illegal to warp someone, i didnt force them, i didnt hack them, i didnt commit any illegality, yet you're telling me i was wrong.

You did do something wrong. You broke the ToS as much as they did. Don't sugarcoat what you did - you duped them into inviting you so you could D2 them.

Now, they commit an actual violation to the TOS by selling gil, and you say its all good? What are you on about? You shun me for warping them, but you approve of something that is harmful in a global way? I dont care if selling gil is illegal, all i care is that it affects me, and all i care is that gilsellers play dirty and are extremely undesirable, and as such, without breaking any rules, i will try and get rid of them even if for 10 minutes. Which is what took them to come back.

To me its fighting fire with fire.

Again, just because someone shuns you does not mean they approve of RMT. IMO, you both broke the ToS, and you both get what you deserve when you find your accounts banned/suspended.

[Feba]

Re: Crusader for justice

Eh. What goes around comes around, or something like that.


Personally, I don't really feel you were wrong, but I haven't a shred of pity in me.


I'm not one of those people who's gonna say you're "no better than gilsellers", but you DID break ToS against another player, with rather minimal proof as well.

[Ziero]

Re: Crusader for justice

Personally I got no problem with the D2ing part, that's actually kinda funny. I myself would never join a pt with some random person while mining and I'm no seller. It's just there are a lot of people who would do that to regular players too so I avoid all of them.

And if you got rid of gil sellers more would just show up because the market is still there. Gil Buyers are the ones who caused so much grief during christmas, gil sellers just make it easier to do.

there are two kinds of RMT

1) Ones that break every rule known to man and bot and hack and all that
2) honest ones that dont do any of the above, all they do is sell most of the gil they have to others.

If most gil sellers were like that I doubt anyone would have as big of a problem with them as they do now. Most complaints come from people who have been MPKed, harassed, or had their NMs stolen by gil sellers rather then people who are affected by rising prices. End game HNMLSs set these prices too, it wasn't just Gil Sellers inflating everything during christmas.

[Feba]

Re: Crusader for justice

Most gilsellers are regular players. It's the people that hack/mpk/bot etc. that people REMEMBER as gilsellers, or THINK OF as gilsellers.

Most gilsellers are regular players who need a quick buck, or are quitting the game (one of my friends sold his gil and account when he quit. Dropped his Sattva though, bwahaha)


Then there's the gilsellers that never break a rule at all, except for actually selling gil.

[Raydeus]

Re: Crusader for justice

Vigilante acts and gang's drive by shootings are the same thing, they are both taking justice in the own hands. Of course their concept of justice is very loose.

And more likely meant as "I have an excuse for doing whatever I want to whoever I want" but since they claim it's all in the name of justice then it's gotta ok right?

"Who needs proof, everyone knows they are "insert pretext" and I'm a soldier of justice! What do you mean what if they are inocent? They are guilty because I say so!"


Freaking insane people, if justice was as simple as that we'd have a Judge Dredd system instead of spending so much money trying to get proof and giving everyone (or at least trying to) an equal trial and a chance to defend themselves.

[Feba]

Re: Crusader for justice

giving everyone (or at least trying to) an equal trial and a chance to defend themselves.

My personal experiences lol at this.

[Raydeus]

Re: Crusader for justice

My personal experiences lol at this.

Yeah >.< but it's still better than the alternatives.

[Bishop]

Re: Crusader for justice

You'd be surprised at how many gilsellers are full time gilsellers and not just people quitting the game. This holds true for ragnarok at least. Some of these gil sellers are on 24/7 and they most likely have people taking shifts to keep the character active. You could speak with them one day, and tomorrow, it'll be some other guy working the account. Now, I don't know how much proof you really need, but there are just some people I'm 100% sure are gil sellers on my server. It's just so painfully obvious that you don't need them to admit it.

People who think that justice should be left to the GMs really need to take a look at the truth. GMs rarely do anything. I have a perfect example back then before the broken mpk fix. I think I've called GM a total of four times. All of which were for mpk. Each and every single time except once, I was given the answer "we will investigate furthur into this situation." The ONLY time the GM has ever done anything was when the mpker was caught red handed as I was speaking with the GM. If he were to mpk just 10 seconds later, the GM would've given me the same standard "we will investigate" reply. It just so happens that immediately before my conversation ends with the GM and we were saying our thank yous and good byes, the mpker trains another set of mobs to us.

Seriously now, you report a violation, it takes a good 10 minutes before a GM can get to you. The window of time you talk with the GM is a good 5-10 minutes max? And in order for the GM to take action against an obvious offense, they have to be caught red handed while you talk to the GM? The odds are against you that in this 5-10 minute time you speak with a GM, another mpk will be attempted. GMs are generally lazy, and don't police the servers well enough.

With that said, since most of you like to apply this to real life, lets compare this to real life. If there was some country with people murdering each other, but police doing little to nothing about it unless they themselves witness the murder, don't you think people will begin taking justice on their own hands?

I don't know how much proof you need to label someone as a gilseller. Although it would be a shame to punish the wrong person, but that happens and there really isn't anything you can do about it. In real life, there has been innocent people put on death row. There is just no way you can make sure 100% of the people in prison are guilty. You could only look at the proof, and based on that, judge their innocence or guilt.