Crusader for justice

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

Bah, i want to ignore this thread!

Lets see here..

Last chrismas i bought your SH
And the very next day, i sold it away
This year, because of gilselling
I'll buy it much much sooner

Get it? :D

If they want to completely ruin everything for the casual player (though the economy would eventually follow the risen prices), all they have to do is what they did in last christmas, no other group of people can pull the same stunt so easily, all they have to do is drop their rates and all hell breaks lose.

Ofcourse, if a venomous claw suddenly costs us 50 million gil, that probably means the economy got shifted around pretty badly and more certain than not that a stack of beehive chips would sit comfortably at 10x its current price too, but this growth would take way too long because alot of people would simply cave in and just buy the millions they need.

So enough with the "gilsellers dont ruin economies" argument because they do and just wait till next christmas, they will do it again... ofcourse prices go back to what they were before, but the point is that if they want to make SH cost 20million, nothing can stop them.

There has to be a solution for that.

[piroko]

Re: Crusader for justice

It's a free market, it's only the players that pressure others to get "the best gear" and stress the importance on those items so much that everyone wants a piece and suddenly it's expensive. We have seen, chaining VTs can net much more exp than killing ITs and gear requirment is suddenly much more laxed.

I got most my gear during the inflation but if I liquadated my gear, I will still have made money. People are just too damn lazy to find a way to farm their items cheap, or just too pessimestic to even try.

Last chrismas i bought your SH
And the very next day, i sold it away
This year, because of gilselling
I'll buy it much much sooner

So now that you think the price will sky rocket due to gil sellers you're going to take advantage of it. Isn't that like using the GS? If you don't support them I don't think you should help raise the motivation to buy gil, no?

[Dooom]

Re: Crusader for justice

I'm not on regularly, so I may miss any replies to this, but when I read this thread, all I could think of was drug dealers and buyers. Not in their effect on the economy, or creation of competition or whatever, but in prevention program. Isn't it better to persuade people not to buy drugs, rather than to target sellers?. So why not make a comparison, and suggest that the way to end - or reduce (let's be realistic) RMT is to persuade players not to buy gil rather than slap the RMT a bit. Ban one RMT while there's still demand for their product, and another supplier will show up to fill the hole in the market. Reduce demand, and you're looking at a market which has the floor falling away from underneath it. Action against RMT is still important, but if you reduce how many people want to buy gil, and the theory should follow that you reduce how much is sold. Alla being brought out by IGE sucked because it further legitimises gil-buying, which is the exact opposite of what any MMO community needs.

If you don't support them I don't think you should help raise the motivation to buy gil, no?

The problem with this is that good gear is, obviously, expensive. Fear of being labelled Gimpy McGimp may cause players to cave in to percieved peer pressure, and buy gil, just so they don't get kicked from parties for not having whatever gear they think is needed. If only people would realise that making money can be enjoyable, things would be much better

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Crusader for justice

You'll never remove gilsellers from the game and you'll never eradicate gilbuyers as long as people are greedy and / or lazy. All you can do is implement changes that lessen the effects of these practices. Such as increasing the amount of alternative gear, make more gear Rare/Ex, remove AH price history, and adopt a similar approach to WoW with bind on pickup items. The latter is a good way of removing items out the system.

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

You see it black and white, where all gilsellers are honest, great people, and everybody else commits crimes.

Why don't you take your retarded points, childish "have to choose" games, horrible grammar, and overused periods and just stop making such a moronic argument? Really, all you're doing is hurting your side of the argument.

Or, do me a favour, actually. Go to Gusgen for a day.

I dont see it in black and white I was just bring up a point, not all gilsellers are honest I know this.

Insulting me now? cant thing of a good argument, so you choose to just insult me "childish" hehe yeah

I am around Gilsellers as much as most people (other then endgame) and the only ones that bother me are the ones that steal/mpk/hack/bot, I could care less about the random one just sitting there makeing things out of items

You'll never remove gilsellers from the game and you'll never eradicate gilbuyers as long as people are greedy and / or lazy. All you can do is implement changes that lessen the effects of these practices. Such as increasing the amount of alternative gear, make more gear Rare/Ex, remove AH price history, and adopt a similar approach to WoW with bind on pickup items. The latter is a good way of removing items out the system.

People dont seem to understand this.....
MPKing or stealing or D2ing RMT will do nothing
Slandering them will do nothing
Makeing a list of them or posts about the will do nothing

All we can do is let SE work on it as they can, yeah some things suck (like the million gil limit) but really if you need to give someone more then that amount meet them in person -.- or if its a mule just send alittle at a time, its not that much of an issue

SE works on this problem, like every other MMO does almost everyday, but when there is so little you can do legaly.... its hard..

Oh and Grizzlebeard... FFXIs EX items are WoWs bind on pickup items

[Maju]

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Can you monopolize random spawn HNMs? Yup. Can you monopolize forced popped gods and KSNM fights? Not a chance in hell.

Umm, yes you can monopolize Gods. On many servers gil sellers are notorious for having a huge force camping Ulli so nobody can get the pop item from him without buying it. Just ask anyone on Ragnarok who owns Sky there.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Crusader for justice

Oh and Grizzlebeard... FFXIs EX items are WoWs bind on pickup items

Thanks Kailea, that post was a little hurried but I didn't think it needed further simplification. Obviously I was incorrect. Although, your example is just a little way off. All items in WoW fall under Bind on Pickup or Bind on Equip. There is no trading of items once they have been equipped.

I don't want to turn this into a WoW has better mechanics than FFXI thread either. Just all MMoGs borrow from each other one way or another. If it helps reduce RMT practices in FFXI then it's something that should be looked at.

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

Thanks Kailea, that post was a little hurried but I didn't think it needed further simplification. Obviously I was incorrect. Although, your example is just a little way off. All items in WoW fall under Bind on Pickup or Bind on Equip. There is no trading of items once they have been equipped.

I don't want to turn this into a WoW has better mechanics than FFXI thread either. Just all MMoGs borrow from each other one way or another. If it helps reduce RMT practices in FFXI then it's something that should be looked at.

mmm yeah I forgot about the bind of equip stuff... only played WoW for my free trial :p

I would say this though, wonder how FFXI would be if it changed to how WoW does their AH.....

uummmm anyway back on topic, hehe... uummm *ajusts glasses*

Gilselling is bad.....
being an ass is worse.......
there is no problem with PTing with nice people..nomatter who they are......
I do not suport Gilselling/buy....but I WILL not suport asshatery
ok continue :p

[Balfree]

Re: Crusader for justice

So now that you think the price will sky rocket due to gil sellers you're going to take advantage of it. Isn't that like using the GS? If you don't support them I don't think you should help raise the motivation to buy gil, no?

Incase you didnt notice that was a parody made to fit the xmas song..

"last christmas i gave you my heart
but the very next day you gave it away
this year to save me from tears
ill give it to someone special"

Meaning even though i used "me" in the lyric, doesnt mean i will do it, but you know everyone else will. Theres no avoiding, and usually when you want to get rid of a problem, removing the source where it spawns from is the answer, or atleast its usually the fastest, most reliable means to do it.

[Skoal]

Re: Crusader for justice

Partying with a gil seller is a form of supporting them. Helping them achieve a higher level allows them more opportunity to have different ways to obtain gil. Selling SE's property for money is wrong to me no matter how nice they are.

[piroko]

Re: Crusader for justice

Incase you didnt notice that was a parody made to fit the xmas song..

"last christmas i gave you my heart
but the very next day you gave it away
this year to save me from tears
ill give it to someone special"

Meaning even though i used "me" in the lyric, doesnt mean i will do it, but you know everyone else will. Theres no avoiding, and usually when you want to get rid of a problem, removing the source where it spawns from is the answer, or atleast its usually the fastest, most reliable means to do it.

Yes, because everyone can reconize x'mas songs.

[Ziero]

Re: Crusader for justice

I'll admit I didn't recognize the song either, in both it's presentations. But I could tell it was done in humor as it was an attempt to lighten the mood that seems to fester in these kinds of debates.

[Hamlet]

Re: Crusader for justice

Partying with a gil seller is a form of supporting them.

Yeah, but what if you pt with them just to trick D2 them?

[Ryddr]

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Yeah, but what if you pt with them just to trick D2 them?

Then you're inhibiting them, which is a good thing...unless of course they tricked you and actually needed a d2...that'd be one smart ass gilseller.

[Kailea]

Re: Crusader for justice

Partying with a gil seller is a form of supporting them. Helping them achieve a higher level allows them more opportunity to have different ways to obtain gil. Selling SE's property for money is wrong to me no matter how nice they are.

mmm so is buying for a bazzar.......
selling in your bazzar.............
buying from the AH............
and selling in the AH...................

really the PTing with them is suporting them is BS....if they dont PT with you they will PT with someone else or with other RMT or ever solo, your not helping them, and I am sorry but I am not going to leave a party just because one person "might be an RMT" I want my EXP

Double Post Edited:

Yeah, but what if you pt with them just to trick D2 them?

sad.......really sad......