Tweet
Re: Blacklist drama
No fun!
No fun!
-
Re: Blacklist drama
Originally posted by Mog
I dont care neather lol........
dont get me wrong... I belive in every religion to a point... but I dont side with one or another, nor do I throw it randomly in palces it does nto belong
but anyway back on topic......
*cough* *ajusts glasses*
where where we?...oh yes..... "black lists only couse problems" ok continue-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kain (FFIV): I am aware of my actions, but can do nothing about them.
Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
Jokes based on a funny sig! Omg! Can't say Jesus here!Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
I would react the same no matter what religious icon was used, now get back on topic -.- reallyOriginally posted by RunningDemon
"black lists only couse problems" ok start from here...... go-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kain (FFIV): I am aware of my actions, but can do nothing about them.
Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
/blists help prevent problems.Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
Blacklisting ingame is a fine feature. Nothing wrong with private blacklists at all. Little tip for dealing with shout spam - set shout text to dark grey. Helps my sanity quite a bit, and is easier than /blists.
Outside the game, public blacklists seem quite harsh. Usually the authour clearly is holding a grudge against whomever the blacklist targets, and these lists seemed to be formed of anger and spite. The people on the list are demonized as criminals or worse, yet their guilt is often far from certain for a third party to verify.
So this is the core of the blacklist argument. Are those accused guilty, and if so, are their
actions bad enough to be publicly denounced?
Mild example: You miss a payment on your loan, and the bank defaults the loan. You are put on a credit blacklist for bad debts. There are many cases of unjust actions from banks in these cases, yet mostly they are legitamate - the people on the list are a credit risk. Like all lists, it only has the power people put into it. So your local manager could overlook the blacklist if you have been a good customer for a long time. A minor bank or credit agency may have no problems with your credit history, they will merely charge extra for insurance. So even though you are blacklisted, you can still get credit. Getting your name off such a list would be difficult though.
Extreme example: Al-Quaida, Jamah Islamiah and many other organizations around the world have been publicly blacklisted as terrorist organisations. Anyone dealing with these organisations are regarded as terrorists themselves. This works fine for Al-Quaida, but what about Hamas, or the IRA, who have legitamate political concerns? If they were on the list, nothing short of disarmament would remove them. If they were defending their homeland, what chance of disarmament is there? Whether to blacklist these organizations or not is a much more difficult issue.
In both of these cases, the public blacklists aren't wrong or right, they are merley stating facts of opinion. Others of similar opinion who use these lists also disregard them with the same ease. eg. Your manager can override the credit blacklist. A country can support the war on terror and Hamas. Those of differing opinion will would ignore the list, eg. The minor bank will happily loan you money at a higher rate. Countries who ignore the list of terrorists.
So in this sense, there is no reason the blacklists should not be on display because they are just opinion which would be reflected in the opinions of those who use or ignore it anyway. Whether anyone should be on or off the list is a measure of the support it will recieve. The more broad the conditions, the more people who would dissent against it. So the list is only as useful as it makes itself. A credit company does itself no favours listing everyone who ever had an unpaid parking ticket. A country does no favours by listing legitamate political bodies as terrorists.
So I say public blacklists should exist, as they effectively manage themselves, and people are free to make their own decisions.
Comment
-
Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
Ah, thanks for the reference to the faults of the death penalty system. And Penn and Teller's show is awesome too. :DComment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
I'm not sure why I'm posting on a topic 8 pages long... I guess I'm just a masochist o.o
Public blacklist are formally and informally used every day ranging from the sex-offender listes posted for public safety to workplaces checking with your previous employer if you apply for a new job. Before mentioned credit checks along with criminal background checks as well. So long as the reason and available information is placed on the list rather than a block saying person x is a bad person they can be a useful tool to be arare of who you should be careful near.
If a daycare owner has a conviction for child abuse that is important information while I will not be concerned if he was convicted of shoplifting. This is why any public blacklist needs to have why they are on it along with preferably links, sources that allow me to form my own opinion on how credible the blacklist is.
I question the wisdom of anyone who takes any blacklist as gospel proof just on the names without looking at the evidence/source exc. I also question the wisdom of entirely ignoring a warning if the source is found to reliable and for good reasons.
Blacklists are mearly a warning to keep your guard up with certain people if people are added friviously that listing will fail as it loses credibility, but if it's kept with integrity and details it can be a godsend for avoiding unpleasant situations.
My blacklist has no names on it and when I'm tired of shout spam in Jeuno I filter shouts on my chatfilter It actually makes Jeuno a quite place. :+D
The complains I've heard regarding blacklists I appologise if I've missed some it is 8 pages of text but mostly restating the same issues.
1. People who have done nothing wrong will find their way on it
If the blacklist does not screen carefully who is put on it and why its credibility will fail destroying it's ability to impact/advise anyone.
2. People change.
Yes people do change, but a persons actions are the only fair way to judge them. It takes more that saying the words I've turned over a new leaf honest by the way could I borrow the Scorpian Harness just for this pt, I won't keep it honest. Someone wants to turn over a new leaf they must labor under the reputation they have built for themselves until they verify they no longer deserve to be mistrusted.
3. Adding someone to a public blacklist is harrasment.
Blacklists do not normally call for action against a given person they mearly state person x has done action y which is considered socially unacceptable by the author of this blacklist. People may choose to act based on their oppinions. Just like when I decline a pt invite because I'm warned by Friend or linkshell mate that said person's pt's wiped 3 times in the last half hour. I honestly don't feel I'm harrasing a player by declining their company and I might join up with them another time when their not having a disasterious day outa curiousity if it was just a fluke or I might not depending on my mood.
Conclusion:
All a public blacklist truely makes is a formal extention of what we do in day to day in real life as well as Vandiel. What daycare to goto what club is dull vs fun, what players in your level range are realy good to invite first over others, excetera.Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
Most Blacklists should be kept to a personal, or Linkshell Site. One where close friends or linkshell members who can trust you 100% without fail can see what you've put together. Once you get into the open where your trust is any less then that you'll have problems. It only get worse when you not only attack the offenders (which is good) but those who are not offenders no matter what the reason.
A black list should contain those who have committed the wrong, not those around them. The best you can do is tell those people what you've experienced and ask them to be careful around them. And hope your suggestion to stay away from them is listened to. But you can't really punish them for that.
Another suggestion for Public black lists would be to make a simple website. A simple Forum would work actually. One where you could put the link in your sig on where you normally talk. That way no-one can truely complain because it's a closed area away from the public eye. Only those who want to look will see it, and it also gives you full power to do as you please. But to future and current makers of such lists. Becareful who you list, because you can damage a good name simply by type a few letters in a specfic order. And just because you feel something is wrong, doesn't make it so.
Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
I'm sure your addition after the flames and incessant bickering from the previous discussions died down a month ago will be appreciated.Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
*thinks* I have no idea why I read the date wrong... I could have sworn it was yesterday when I posted it ><
Sorry...Comment
-
Re: Blacklist drama
Necropost from beyong the grave!
Comment
Comment