Blacklist drama

[Danicus]

Re: Blacklist drama

Anyway, to make my post valid and not entirely off-topic ~,~ I shall add that the effect of a blacklist cannot be determined before it's been utilized. Whether it's positive or negative is nearly impossible to tell. Of course, someone will say that it can't possibly be 100% correct, but in a game it's easier to read people actions/intentions than in real life because everyone is limited to the same number of actions (aside from bots n' such). Therefore, comparing a real life blacklist to an in-game blacklist isn't even a parallel observation. Looking into the past for the answers will not work either because the comparison is entirely irrelavent. Personally, I would allow a blacklist to continue until the effects can be seen and calculated. If there are any negative effects, besides those who protest its existance beforehand, then it shouldn't exist. If the effects are purely beneficial then let it be.

Some good points, but there's a couple I see differently:

1. "RL" and in-game /blists have the same function - reducing the amount of interaction you have with a specific player(s). So the spirit with which they're used is identical; thus, they are parallel in function.

2. There are no caveats given by SE to utlilize a /blist function. We can /blist anyone we want, for whatever reason we want. We are not required to apply RL standards to utilize the /blist. We simply type the name of whom we want to avoid and it's done. We don't apply to have them /blisted, we don't petition a GM, nor do we require a group consensus; we're not even required to suggest WHY we add them. We just add them so we can avoid any interaction with them.

Applying RL criteria to an in-game function (i.e. people you don't want to deal with) is a leap without much merit. I could even go so far as to suggest that the official in-game function and it's implentation, process, and execution would be the ultimate model of which any out-of-game criteria must match. Why police something that was given without policing by the game designer in-game?

[RunningDemon]

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But yet, if a /blist list makes changes, and those who are adamantly against it still continue to not budge, who is in the wrong, the one that is trying to compromise, or those who stick to nothing but absolute changes in their favor?

[Macht]

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Correct that they are more complex but every one of them had to start from something. They started of simplistic and as methods of deciding who gets on such lists changed they became better and better. Along with that more and more accurate.

As for tearing appart my examples, there was no purpose to do such. They were mearly examples to demonstrate that they are blacklists in some way shape or form. Nothing more then that.

[Kailea]

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Sorry but this is not for discussion about RD's List specifically. It's topic about blacklists in general.

-Macht

[RunningDemon]

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Regardless of your thoughts on my list, do you not see the problem with 2 groups with differing views on a problem and one refusing to give a little ground?

[Kailea]

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god damnit -Macht dont edit that... that was a reply to RD himself, I am really getting sick of this..,......., I cant even discus because we HAVE to use his list as a steping point...its the only one there is -.-

RD I see the views, and I am on the side that wants to see things like this removed, and you are on the side that wants them here...... we are on diffrent sides, but what you dont understad is that you are not god....you are not a judge, you are not a GM, you can not make a somethink like a blacklist and have it "fare" it hurts tomany people and is very pointless

[Yuanlung]

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As for tearing appart my examples, there was no purpose to do such. They were mearly examples to demonstrate that they are blacklists in some way shape or form. Nothing more then that.

I was trying to show that those lists (atleast the non-controversial ones) don't really operate the same as a MMO public hate list.

But yeah, there are certainly lists like this in RL, and frankly, I am not too found of those either.

[RunningDemon]

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Kail, you are against /blist threads in all their forms apparently. Regardless of proof that you may consider faulty, or reasoning you consider bad, why can you not see how that one side of the issue refusing to move and make some sort of a compromise, only dealing in absolutes, is as bad as slinging insults at each other? Neither side accomplishes anything in a matter like this if the information is not examined and both sides give a little.

[Danicus]

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RD I see the views, and I am on the side that wants to see things like this removed, and you are on the side that wants them here...... we are on diffrent sides, but what you dont understad is that you are not god....you are not a judge, you are not a GM, you can not make a somethink like a blacklist and have it "fare" it hurts tomany people and is very pointless

We don't need judge, gods, or anything to make our list - we ARE GM's, judges, and gods when it comes to our /blist and those whom we avoid. It's our choice whom we avoid/ignore/etc. Both in-game and out.

I'm in a Dynamis LS called NoSephiroth - yup, that's it's name and no, I don't run it or even assist in running it. Nobody with a variant name of Sephiroth for their character is allowed in, and there's nothing that you, me, or any Seferoth, Xsephirothx, Sefferoth, etc. can do about it. This is the underlying issue in my opinion.

In RL, yeah, there's issues with that. In Vana'diel, there's not.

[Kailea]

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Kail, you are against /blist threads in all their forms apparently. Regardless of proof that you may consider faulty, or reasoning you consider bad, why can you not see how that one side of the issue refusing to move and make some sort of a compromise, only dealing in absolutes, is as bad as slinging insults at each other? Neither side accomplishes anything in a matter like this if the information is not examined and both sides give a little.

ok then lets finish this... you back down and removed your BS, problem solved, you are the one causeing the problems, not the poeple for or against the list, and not the peopel on the list.......... most of the time I stand by the side of whats right and honest, and I can tell you that is the side I am on now.

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We don't need judge, gods, or anything to make our list - we ARE GM's, judges, and gods when it comes to our /blist and those whom we avoid. It's our choice whom we avoid/ignore/etc. Both in-game and out.

I'm in a Dynamis LS called NoSephiroth - yup, that's it's name and no, I don't run it or even assist in running it. Nobody with a variant name of Sephiroth for their character is allowed in, and there's nothing that you, me, or any Seferoth, Xsephirothx, Sefferoth, etc. can do about it. This is the underlying issue in my opinion.

In RL, yeah, there's issues with that. In Vana'diel, there's not.

yes we have a choice with our own /Blist, but when a public Blist is posted, it couses problems..... even if you dont Blist that person ingame, in the back of your mind, you have......

[neighbortaru]

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Kailea, get this through your head:

This thread is not about "The List"
This thread is not for arguing about "The List"
This thread is not for demanding anything about "The List"

get the idea yet?

If you have anything useful to contribute about blacklisting IN GENERAL then please speak up. Otherwise, keep out of the thread.

and fyi, you can discuss blacklists without resorting to "The List." Others have done so just fine, apparently you are the only special one.

[Macht]

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god damnit -Macht dont edit that... that was a reply to RD himself, I am really getting sick of this..,......., I cant even discus because we HAVE to use his list as a steping point...its the only one there is -.-

RD I see the views, and I am on the side that wants to see things like this removed, and you are on the side that wants them here...... we are on diffrent sides, but what you dont understad is that you are not god....you are not a judge, you are not a GM, you can not make a somethink like a blacklist and have it "fare" it hurts tomany people and is very pointless

Kailea, this post directly targeted towards Running Demon is the intention we are trying to avoid. His does not need to be used as a stepping stone, just you choose to use it as such.

The debate is discussing the good and bad of a list, not philosophical or your emotion about it. That just turns into targeting people and destroys the intent of the debate. Put forth better strengths of why it's bad then just saying (You are not god), because that backing can then be stated that same about all legal systems in which case present the statement that everyone in a jail is innocent.

The one defensive side stated to death is so general, be more specific and to the point. Example would be the existance of blacklists is no better then the creation of racial segregation, saying that someone who parties with a person on the Blacklist should be segregated with them isn't right. The person may not know or strong enough evidence not provided to sway that person, unless they flat out make a statement that shows their stance they shouldn't be targeted.

Find something like that to also point about the person on the blacklist and it's better.

[Kailea]

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in my last post I have said nothing about the "list" but just a little refrence to RD himself who I was replying to NOW GET OFF MY BACK!!!!

neighbortaru>> oh you didn't?

ok then lets finish this... you back down and removed your BS, problem solved, you are the one causeing the problems, not the poeple for or against the list, and not the peopel on the list.......... most of the time I stand by the side of whats right and honest, and I can tell you that is the side I am on now.

yeha I was replying to HIM.......and did I say "list" no I did not, really I cant see why you mods are takeing so long....its not tha thard.....

[Ryddr]

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Well, the post I quoted has been removed....

....go on.

[Ellipses]

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yes we have a choice with our own /Blist, but when a public Blist is posted, it couses problems..... even if you dont Blist that person ingame, in the back of your mind, you have......

I personally would not want to associate myself with someone weak-minded enough to blacklist me based solely on seeing my name on a forum thread somewhere. If my actions in-game are not enough to overcome such a ridiculous bias, then either 1) I deserve it anyway or 2) the person biased against me is not worth my time, and can blacklist me all they'd like.