JP players hate being checked

[Standablaze]

Re: JP players hate being checked

Well, I agree somewhat with what Macht said. I hate it when people check me and say "You should have an emperor hairpin and leaping boots" when I'm a THF or whatever in Qufim; If I had those things or could afford them, I would be using them, and I'm not camping them..

Although, if I checked a war who was using something like a Dagger, and +mind gear, then I would definetely say something to be honest :p

[Ciros]

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Personally, I wouldn't take the word of one person to represent an entire culture.
Most of the Japanese players I've met don't seem to mind.

[DakAttack]

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It's about respect. Do you want to respect somebody for who they are, or for what they're wearing? For which would you like others to respect you?

I get the feeling it only matters early to mid game when players form the most relationships.

[Icemage]

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I don't mind an occasional /check but some people make a habit out of it. Excessive /checking can get you on a blacklist pretty fast, and in extreme cases will get you such a bad reputation for being nosy that it will affect your reputation at end-game.

Oh, and for those that suggest turning off the check filters: I leave the filter off so I can identify the rude and obnoxious people (as do the majority of players I know who feel the same way).

If you don't like being judged for being to /check-happy, you always have the option of not doing it.


Icemage

[Macht]

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Personally, I wouldn't take the word of one person to represent an entire culture.
Most of the Japanese players I've met don't seem to mind.

Lol, because they don't complain to you about it doesn't mean that they don't mind. Complaining is something you'll rarely see happen, they just start to avoid you more or do other things more along a covert hostility.

Anyway with that said, lot of the Japanese players kind of just adjusted to it. They basically accept it to an extent.

[lufia22]

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I leave the filter off so I can identify the rude and obnoxious people

I walk in front of cars to see who pays attention while driving.

Here's the cold hard facts. People keep making this into some cultural thing. Perhaps it is. My personal opinion? Hogwash. It's a flippin in-game etiquette that hasn't been as widely adopted by both NA and EU players. Maybe the reason it became etiquette is because of what it says when you get checked in Japan or that Japanese people like their privacy, but that doesn't mean it's not an in-game rule that was created. If SE took the time to fix some of its idiocies with this game and finally got rid of the check message all together, no one would be the wiser. No one would care anymore.

If you're getting uninvited from parties so much that it has become a big enough problem to where you cannot get into steady groups, then the people who are uninviting you are probably booting you for good reason. Simply put, the /check system doesn't create that huge of problems. Sure, you might get a jackass elitist from time to time...you know what I do and have to do almost every day in FFXI? I ignore them. Yeah, it's hard ignoring idiots, but it's a lot better than whining about /checks. It's like whining about your sibling looking at you. "Mom! Johnny's looking at me! Make him stop!"

People create problems for themselves both IRL and in games. Complaining about being checked is just one of these problems they create for themselves. You're going to be checked. You're going to get comments on your gear. Deal with it. Until SE takes checking out of the game completely, you're just wasting your effort complaining.

This is my opinion at least.

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Complaining is something you'll rarely see happen, they just start to avoid you more or do other things more along a covert hostility.

This is a faulty way of handling problems. You let your emotions build without telling someone and you're innocently making them a victim. If someone is doing something that is unintentionally annoying you IRL, do you slowly start to hate them, even though they have no clue that they're annoying you? Maybe you do, but then you'd be the jackass in that situation. The right thing to do would be to either A.) Tell them it's annoying or B.) deal with it without making that person a victim. Considering this is a video game, one in which gives you full option to turn this one line of text off, you shouldn't even have to bother with A or B because you wont even know the thing that you hate is happening. Unless, of course, the person starts to lecture you about gear, to which having checks on or off would have most likely not prevented the situation.

[Macht]

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I walk in front of cars to see who pays attention while driving.

Here's the cold hard facts. People keep making this into some cultural thing. Perhaps it is. My personal opinion? Hogwash. It's a flippin in-game etiquette that hasn't been as widely adopted by both NA and EU players. Maybe the reason it became etiquette is because of what it says when you get checked in Japan or that Japanese people like their privacy, but that doesn't mean it's not an in-game rule that was created. If SE took the time to fix some of its idiocies with this game and finally got rid of the check message all together, no one would be the wiser. No one would care anymore.

If you're getting uninvited from parties so much that it has become a big enough problem to where you cannot get into steady groups, then the people who are uninviting you are probably booting you for good reason. Simply put, the /check system doesn't create that huge of problems. Sure, you might get a jackass elitist from time to time...you know what I do and have to do almost every day in FFXI? I ignore them. Yeah, it's hard ignoring idiots, but it's a lot better than whining about /checks. It's like whining about your sibling looking at you. "Mom! Johnny's looking at me! Make him stop!"

People create problems for themselves both IRL and in games. Complaining about being checked is just one of these problems they create for themselves. You're going to be checked. You're going to get comments on your gear. Deal with it. Until SE takes checking out of the game completely, you're just wasting your effort complaining.

This is my opinion at least.

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This is a faulty way of handling problems. You let your emotions build without telling someone and you're innocently making them a victim. If someone is doing something that is unintentionally annoying you IRL, do you slowly start to hate them, even though they have no clue that they're annoying you? Maybe you do, but then you'd be the jackass in that situation. The right thing to do would be to either A.) Tell them it's annoying or B.) deal with it without making that person a victim. Considering this is a video game, one in which gives you full option to turn this one line of text off, you shouldn't even have to bother with A or B because you wont even know the thing that you hate is happening. Unless, of course, the person starts to lecture you about gear, to which having checks on or off would have most likely not prevented the situation.

Lol, you are still going by the logic that just seeing the text "So-and-so examines you." That is a very minute part of the whole condition. Not only is considered direspect by some but like I mentioned earlier weather I see that text or not I'm going to end up someone bugging me for something that is mine and not selling.

With the debate against my statement of not complaining, that is a general culture thing you'll see happen quite often. They don't complain other cultures leave that to British/Americans to do. Japan culture complaining or a student going to a teacher because of an issue is heavily looked down on. The students are suppose to look to the other students or resolve the issue themselves. They don't complain partly because it's seen as a sign of weakness.

Debate you're view of it all you want but you should respect the others view also even if it doesn't match your own.

[DakAttack]

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They don't complain partly because it's seen as a sign of weakness.

Ah, yes, the cultural differences are amazing aren't they? In America people routinely attempt to make probelms seem bigger than they actually are, called exaggeration, and expect sympathy and for people to just understand what they want, called being emo, and refuse to see the issue any other way.

Ah, youth culture, the future of America...

[Pawkeshup]

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Well, I used to care about this. I really did. I would ask first, be all respectful. But then I stopped. Why?

Here's a quick tip for anyone to pass into the Japanese community: We check you because you are wearing gear. We are curious. We are not evil. When we have a pimp peice or three, we love people checking us. Be proud of your gear, or be prepared if you dress funky. We're curious and we're not always going to spend 5 minutes monkeying with the autotranslate to ask permission, then waiting 5 more minutes for permission, especially when we are hauling arse through Jeuno. Just activate that one filter and move on with your lives.

It's a game, and it's a minor, easily filterable comment.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Hmm. I /check people mostly for two reasons:

1. Trying to trade, but the darn lag made me hit check instead of trade in menu. >_>;
2. Obvious newbie players; I'm nosy and like to offer equipment advice. (I also tell them where to get something useful cheaply; and, in case of new LS mates, offer to camp stuff like Empress Hairpin and Bounding Boots with them.)

Otherwise, I don't really /check people much; since there are people who get annoyed by/check's, why do it? I mean, regardless of what you think about being /check'ed yourself, why do things others find irritating?

In exp parties, though, if someone is performing poorly, I'd /check them. Guess I don't feel all that polite when someone is practically leeching... <_<; But, if someone is doing his/her job nicely, I couldn't care less if the person is using Lv.1 nation ring on one L.Ring and Sniper Ring on R.Ring.

Oh yeah, I filter out the /check notices for myself; they fill up chat log sometimes when I run around in RSE's.

[Oogami]

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Here's a quick tip for anyone to pass into the Japanese community: We check you because you are wearing gear. We are curious. We are not evil. When we have a pimp peice or three, we love people checking us. Be proud of your gear, or be prepared if you dress funky. We're curious and we're not always going to spend 5 minutes monkeying with the autotranslate to ask permission, then waiting 5 more minutes for permission, especially when we are hauling arse through Jeuno. Just activate that one filter and move on with your lives.

Riight...
So, you refuse to conform to their expectation, and yet expects them to follow yours.
We are the borg. You will be asimilated.

Believe it or not, like it or not, people have different cultures, and different ways of handling things. If you can't respect that, that's your problem.

[lufia22]

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Believe it or not, like it or not, people have different cultures, and different ways of handling things. If you can't respect that, that's your problem.

This is my point, however. People keep making this into some dumb culture thing. It's not. The Japanese created some in-game rule because they were playing this game long before most NAs and EU players were. Then we come in and see no problem with checks yet we see that the JPN players hate it, so we start making assumptions that it must be something cultural.

Here's an example. Lets say you quit FFXI. It's widely known by most higher level players in FFXI that blind invites are just annoying and are perhaps "rude." Lets say you go play WoW and you're spamming the LFG chat for a dungeon you wanna do and someone blindly invites you. While your FFXI instincts tell you that's rude, you have to realize this is WoW where blind invites are the norm.

This is the same for FFXI and its cultures. The JPN players created in-game rules. NA players came in and didn't create the same rules. Yeah, it's a problem mixing cultures on one server, but it's not all this "respect their culture" bullcrap everyone keeps making it out to be. Hell, I doubt most people who think checks are rude, especially english speakers, even know why they're angry about you checking them in the first place. They do it because it's some in-game rule they heard about and they're trying to stick to the trend and follow it.

But here is where the problem is. The situation is completely avoidable. You can keep preaching about respect and what not, but I'll say it again: The situation is completely avoidable. This is why I think your whole "whatever /check translates to is offensive to JPN players" is total bull. 1.) Why in the world would SE put something in the game like that and never change it? 2.) If a game put highly offensive "your momma" jokes every time I made an attack yet allowed me to turn them off, why in hell would I punish myself and keep them on? So then why would JPN players insist on keeping the filter off if it's so offensive?

It's not about respecting cultures, it's about respecting made up in-game rules that were in place before we started the game. I don't check often and I rarely interact with JPN players. So am I really at a loss if all JPN players hate me? Not really. If I get a complaint from an english player about /checks...well, you can read my other post on why that's completely stupid.

[neighbortaru]

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This is my point, however. People keep making this into some dumb culture thing. It's not. The Japanese created some in-game rule because they were playing this game long before most NAs and EU players were. Then we come in and see no problem with checks yet we see that the JPN players hate it, so we start making assumptions that it must be something cultural.

And you are 100% sure of this because you are Japanese right?

[lufia22]

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It seems everyone is 100% sure that it's cultural. Like I stated, this is my opinion.

[Jenifa]

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I havent had anyone have a problem with me checking them in a LONG TIME!!!

but if i check someone more than once i always make a point to strike a conversation with them if they are not afk... or at least a /bow emote...