Greivances with "The List"

[Feba]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

but they didn't attack the content of the list, which would be an easy target if the list didn't have even a high credibility.

Actually we did attack the content, read the thread.

Double Post Edited:
And please don't harass the mods over this, no matter what your side. This only creates more trouble for them, and hurts your case. They are looking over the issue, and don't need people spamming crap around to alert them.

[Danicus]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Actually we did attack the content, read the thread.

I meant the players of Seraph (attacking RD). It's obvious you're attacking it.

The content of the list and it's existence are two different things in my opinion. Even you acknowledge that RMT exists on every server - this is the content of the list.

The existence of the list has always been debated.

[Icemage]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Just in case it hasn't been stressed enough, the existence of The List has been tacitly sanctioned by the administration here, and we (the moderators) have no further official say on the issue other than to enforce the rules upon any followup comments until such time as we're instructed otherwise.

On a personal level, I think The List is somewhat misguided, even if the intentions are good, but that's just me. I don't have such a huge problem with the vigilante nature, but more with the potential for abuse, but I really that's really an issue for members from the Seraph server to decide.


Icemage

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

So, in essence, almost 13 pages of circular discussions relating to a thread for a server most of the posters don't play on over an issue that is already sanctioned by the moderators.

Post pharming gone wild.

[Feba]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

over an issue that is already sanctioned by the moderators.

Correction: over an issue which PiNG allowed to be placed on the board, provided there was proof to back it up, which so far has been extremely lacking.

[Taskmage]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Even if nothing comes of it, that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing, and it's not a forgone conclusion that PiNG won't change his mind or otherwise act. Also, it's not the moderators who sanction the thread. I think the super mods are universally against it to one degree or another. The thread was given permission to continue with certain requests pertaining to proof and conduct by the site owner, whose judgement supercedes ours.

[Tsingtao]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

In short yes and not a single one relating to any player who feels unjustly placed on the list. Not one disputed RMT LS or account, not a single one...

...if that doesn't tell you something about the varacity of the content then I'm not sure what will. I have yet to see one error on this sonce the thread came into existance, the shakier ones I have even verified myself and they have always been correct.

So given that the content is uncontested and that MPK and griefing is not being advocated what is the major gripe?

Obviously this is unless you count choosing to camp against and partying with sellers and their known assocaites as grief. In which case this is your choice, this is ours please respect ours as we respect yours. Would we avoid you in game for your choice, the answer is yes does this make you wrong the answer is no, does it make us right the answer is no. It makes us each what we are free thinking individuals making a choice.

[ValisOfValefor]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

So, in essence, almost 13 pages of circular discussions relating to a thread for a server most of the posters don't play on over an issue that is already sanctioned by the moderators.

Post pharming gone wild.

Not really, this post was put here to discuss the problems we had with "the list" being on this website. It's being discussed here because we have an opinion on stuff like that being posted on a website like this.

And that last part of your post wasnt really neccesary.

[RunningDemon]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Feba. Read the agreement with PiNG, there are screenshots for all of the new people added since the move, as per the mod requests. I have given you people the info from the allakhazam names as you asked. The policy I followed with the Allakhazam admins,(Kaolin), was that I post when and be willing to stake my rep on it.

I have followed the admin requests all this time for proof as they wanted it. You are not an admin Feba, they are asking for a sane amount of proof, unlike you who still refuses to ask me for a WP and see the situation and ask around yourself. Instead, you post here, saying the same thing over and over again, whereas I give proof when asked.

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

No-one has to prove anything to you Feba, although, keep on posting replies and pharming that gil. I, however, rarely enter into debates over trivial matters such as this with 14 year old children offline so I certainly don't intend to do so on an internet forum now. I made a statement and it still stands, this thread continues to grow and ultimately achieve nothing whilst the thread that spawned it is still running along nicely and will continue to do so with Ping's blessing.

[Taskmage]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

PiNG's PM upon reopening the thread a little over a month ago, reposted here for ease of reference:

Ok, but I have one request for you, Please, PLEASE be sure you get hard evidence of the people on list and keep them filed, or post screen shots. (New additions or edits) One thing that worries me is the problem when we assume, (I'm sure you'll assume), that if someone, ACCIDENTALLY joins a party who are full of gil sellers, but the person didn't know any better about them. Probably thought they were just regular party or find out that they were actually partied with gil sellers after the party is over...

Most likely there will be such people, and get listed in your list. If someone clearly comes in to our forums and state their facts please be sure to talk it over with them in civil manner.

Perhaps come up with a disclaimer note and ask for users to PM you about false information that might be in the list. Pretty much keep things handled as best as you can.

That's all I ask of you for that list. I'll go ahead and unlock it first thing in the morning. Please do your best to keep the thread as civil as possible. If things do get out of hand, It'll be closed and moved to our archive.

As for the forum request, it will be done. Your contributions are welcome. And I truly appreciate your helping. It's just that controversial subjects tend to get a lot more attention and careful moderation on this forum.

Thanks

-PiNG

[ValisOfValefor]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Grizzlebeard, do you even understnad what we're arguing here, please put in a useful contribution to this thread or else... well ill put it in your own words your the one who's "Post pharming".

After edit ok read here what taskmage said

Even if nothing comes of it, that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing

[Myaku]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

All I have to say is Karma is a bitch. Remember that when you have people dragging your name through the mud, List-makers.

[Tsingtao]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Karma is a terrible thing, remember this the next time you're in Sky camping god triggers against an LS such as riverslake. Then remember in almost all cases they were put there knowingly by a LS made of real players. In our case we had Super to thank, your server will have its own.

We have chosen to form a community that will not stand for this, what will you choose?

[Grizzlebeard]

Re: Greivances with "The List"

Grizzlebeard, do you even understnad what we're arguing here,

No, frankly, I don't. I've read through pages of arguments and politically correct bs about the rights and wrongs of making a list detailing blatant RMT on a server you don't even play on, let alone the majority of the people posting on this thread. I've seen the same two sides of the argument stated numerous times, one line quips that pass as a retort to imagined insults, and countless bleeding hearts. Yet, despite all this, the thread is there and has the credible back up Ping requested and has set a precedent for future threads in the other server forums. What does this long, dead horse of a thread hope to achieve?

please put in a useful contribution to this thread or else... well ill put it in your own words your the one who's "Post pharming".

Who are you again? One of the masses who left Allakhazam during the RMT exodus? Oh, the delicious irony of seeing some of the anti-RMT zealots jumping on a new bandwagon that protects the names of known RMT'ers at the risk of naming and shaming one innocent despite the fact these people are widely known culprits and the evidence is supported with screenshots.