Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

[Mhurron]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

I don't know how long this has been around, but it was a key to the first 3rd of the airship battle CoP mission (6-4) for my group.

CoP mission bosses have a tendency to act a little different then your average mob. The CoP 2-3 mobs also acted this way, but before the patch normal mobs did not.

I could also swear normal mobs still don't.

[Kolid]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

As a Dragoon, this thing pisses me off. Sometimes, when Jump misses, it doesn't claim... It's really broken. I'm not sure if I'm the only DRG who gets this, but when I'm trying to keep up a chain, and theres another party on top of us who pulls off of us... I kinda hate it X_X

[Medalink]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

As a Dragoon, this thing pisses me off. Sometimes, when Jump misses, it doesn't claim... It's really broken. I'm not sure if I'm the only DRG who gets this, but when I'm trying to keep up a chain, and theres another party on top of us who pulls off of us... I kinda hate it X_X

And why should a mob attack you if you completly miss it? The system is not borken, everyones pulling tactics are and need to be adjusted.

Medalink

[Taskmage]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

I think if I was a mob and someone unfriendly looking fell out of the sky next to me with a spear pointed at me, I'd attack them.

[Mhurron]

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I think if I was a mob and someone unfriendly looking fell out of the sky next to me with a spear, I'd attack them.

You need to chill out, they missed, its all good.

Anyway, being able to claim with a miss is sort of handy. Hitting a Ranged Attack all the time might be easy for a RNG, but most of the time you probably don't have a RNG pulling. What if it's your SAM pulling? What's he supposed to do? Provoke pulling is pretty much a bad idea and WAR and DRK have low skills in ranged weapons, and DRK doesn't have a tonne of MP to throw around until they're with a RDM that has refresh. THF isn't much better.

Ranged attack is one of the best ways of pulling, and most jobs that do it are going to miss a good portion, if not most, of the time.

[Taskmage]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

This only happens on aggressive mobs, right? Non-aggressive mobs are still claimed by whatever you try on the, aren't they?

[Mhurron]

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Personally I haven't seen a problem with the new claim system. I've seen people complain about not being able to pull hate off of an aggrod mob that was still yellow with Dia or curing the target, but I've done both. Not saying that people saying that they are having problems are full of it or something but I don't believe the claim system is broken either. More like there's a little glitch in it, or the person they are trying to save did more then just run by and get aggro.

This only happens on aggressive mobs, right? Non-aggressive mobs are still claimed by whatever you try on the, aren't they?

Shouldn't every mob work the same way as far as claiming goes?

[Aeni]

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I could also swear normal mobs still don't.

You're wrong.

Previous to the patch, the way we got PL'd in Korroloka Tunnel in that section where there were tons of worms. Our RDM friend would run in the middle of the worms and would just dia one of them. Immediately he got hate from all other worms. We could then pickout a worm one at a time without getting spammed with Stonega. The SMN in our PT casted cure on the RDM and didn't steal hate off the other "untouched" worms.

Again, I think a lot of you people are misguiding your anger from events which may or may not have anything to do with the change in the way monsters behave from linking, aggro and claiming.

[sevenpointflaw]

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Not broken? Wtf? THe thread that spawned Taskmage's posting of this talked about one person agro'd a mob, and abother member in the alliance (not party - aliance) couldn't claim.

Someone outside of the party generated less hate than the person who got agro. So what happened? The mob remained yellow and was claimed by a different alliance who used a higher hate claim method.

Now, its interesting to note that 1.) the system worked exactly as SE said it would, and that 2) in doing so it prevented claim from within the alliance as well as outside of it.

How the heck is that -not- broken? And if I'm misplaced in assuming that is related to the changes in the claiming system, then by all means - please enlightenin me as to how exactly that that little claiming problem cropped up?

[Mhurron]

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How the heck is that -not- broken? And if I'm misplaced in assuming that is related to the changes in the claiming system, then by all means - please enlightenin me as to how exactly that that little claiming problem cropped up?

You know I could swear there's a term for that, wait let me think.

Oh I know, a glitch.

[sevenpointflaw]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

You know I could swear there's a term for that, wait let me think.

Oh I know, a glitch.

Okay, maybe I'm just retarded - its certainly possible - but if there's a glitch in the system wouldn't that make it broken?

[Nakti]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

While running through the Dunes doing Raises, I happened to see a Gob sight aggro a person whose party was already fighting another mob.

My Dia (I) caused the mob to run toward me and start beating on me, but it did not claim it. Is this what SE had in mind? It seems a little strange considering that I was the only one that had generated any "hate" on it.

[Taskmage]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

Copied this post from the other thread:

These are the diagrams from the patch notes with the change:




In the case where the action of B generates enough enmity to cause the monster to attack him, he claims the monster. Now, let's look at our example.



This is an image of someone using an job ability on a weapon that aggroed his alliance. The second arrow shows him getting attacked because he'd generated enough enmity for the mob to attack him. The third arrow shows Cort being unable to attack the mob because another alliance had gotten claim. If you still think there's no bug and that's the way the system is supposed to work, there's no reasoning with you.

[DakAttack]

Re: Let Square-Enix know their MPK fix is broken

It really doesn't seem broken. My observations:

An instant claim is possible when there's nobody on the monster's hate list. If the monster goes from an idle state to attacking a player a certain amount of hate is generated, so you must then counter that hate by crossing a certain threshold. Only parties can battle it out for claim, so alliances aren't counted as a single entity. 'Unintentional' hate generated does not claim the enemy.

[Taskmage]

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"In the case where the action of B generates enough enmity to cause the monster to attack him, he claims the monster."

He intentionally used Shadowbind, got enough enmity to make the mob attack him, and didn't get claim.