What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I still say they should have made level caps optional rather than removing them completely. And I said that long before CoP. My Shadow Lord got blitzed by 75s almost before I was out of the cutscene. I would have loved to have the opportunity to do that fight with a party of 60s.

Even back then, leeching off of level 75s was the primary method for clearing lower level content. Even though it's apparently what the players "wanted," it's sad that those lazy, boring tendencies were pandered to.

[Ketaru]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Yeah, I didn't even know the Shadow Lord used to be 60 cap. Before I was the rank to fight him, I saw some pictures of him online and he looked incredibly menacing. This was way back when so there really weren't many FFXI​ screenshots floating around. So when I first fought it, I was...underwhelmed. I would've loved to have tried that battle.

Oh yes, CoP missions. That moment when you successfully beat one of those bosses and you were like:

Spoilers for language <_<

[Taskmage]

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Yeah, there seem to be very few f*ck yeah moments left in the game. Most accomplishments these days are worth at best a



usually because you gained some minor upgrade, not because you accomplished something impressive.

[Firewind]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Sorry but I can't help but facepalm at the posts where people want to go back to a time where:

• If you didn't have a RDM, NIN, SAM, COR or BRD you could never merit.
• If you played a mage job not called "Red Mage" or "Scholar" you didn't get into ANY event
• Where it would take months at a time to hit 75 on a job, then you would discover that because it's not a RDM, NIN, SAM, BRD or COR, all of that time was spent on nothing.
• If you didn't already have every single Mission and Quest done before even purchasing the game you would never get help to get them done.
• Where attempting Missions or quests would cost you a small fortune in items and consumables.
• If you didn't already have weapon skills maxed out you were stuck being gimped unless you were one of the above jobs for a Skill Up party.
• If you even dared turn up with a Subjob that wasn't /NIN, even if you were a DD, you were kicked from the group
• If you turned up with a weapon that wasn't your class' best weapon you were kicked.
• Where White Mages would literally go for months at a time without an invite to ANY event (My record is SIX MONTHS).
• Where to get anything done, you need a full group of people that all want the same thing done.
• When XP was reliant on all 6 party members being perfect for hours at a time without a rest or break and the slightest slip out or lapse of concentration would undo hours of work.
• When there was no fast travel so you had to set gathering times for events to be an hour before the actual event.
• When bots were rampant and inflation killed the economy.
• When it was impossible to Fish because of the above bots forcing everyone out of the market.
• When you would have to spend months levelling a second Job to Merit on that job because your Main Job was deemed suboptimal for Meriting
• When you would have to level a third job for Dynamis because your Linkshell already has enough of your Main and Second jobs but you will never be able to lot on stuff for your main anyway because it's useless for endgame and besides, other people want it too.
• When one person not turning up to an event meant you had to cancel the whole thing or risk bringing in a pick up player.
• When people would act like you are an inconsiderate dick who just raped their beloved family pet because you need to leave a party because of basic needs like food or work.
• When maintenance was always right in the middle of Prime Time to avoid pissing off the Precious Japanese Players
• When you had to literally attach your lips to the anus of the Party Bard to get anything done if you somehow got into a Merit Party. Because if he had a tantrum, the RDM wouldn't get Ballad and the Melee wouldn't get March and then XP would slow and everyone would leave. Let's face it, it turns bards into massive prima donnas that threw fits at the slightest thing if everyone didn't worship the ground they walked on.
• The days of auto-voke programmes and Linkshells having pitched battles over HNM claims and Japanese players pitching a fit whenever the spawn times were outside of Japanese Prime Time and staying up all day and night to HOLD HNMs so the death would be when they want to kill it.
• Japanese players generally treating you like shit because the assumption that everyone not typing in Katakana is American, even if you're speaking in German, French or Spanish.
• American players abusing you for speaking in Japanese, German, French or Spanish.
• European players abusing you for not speaking in English, German, French or Spanish.
• Dhalmel Meme.

People still want to go back to THAT?

[cidbahamut]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I liked the Dhalmel talk in Jeuno.

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

People still want to go back to THAT?

Keep in mind that if you had a static party most of those problems go away. That wasn't the norm, but at the same time it's not like NO ONE had one either.

[Firewind]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

The problem with statics was noted: if one person fails to turn up for any reason and you can't reschedule the event, then you're pretty much out of luck if you can't find a random guy that just happens to need the same thing as you do.

Then you have to do the whole thing again anyway when the missing person is back if you did go on without them.

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

The game as it is has just as many problems, it just has different ones. In many cases it has the same ones, just applied to different jobs and events.

Btw, I don't know what fishing is like on your server, but over here most ebisus are held by bots. Only reason you don't see market crowding is multiple money fish are NPCable at good prices. The saving grace of the economy right now is that it's pretty much irrelevant for most gear.

[Firewind]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I'm I'm not denying that Post-Abyssea FFXi has issues. I'm just bemused by the fact that people want to go back to how FFXI was before Abyssea.

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I'm not saying it didn't have problems, but in certain ways it was better. I do miss it taking more than a week to get to level cap and challenging party-level content. Figuring out how to make the leveling process more enjoyable and make that content more relevant and accessible was a hard problem, and SE copped out and basically ditched it all.

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

The problem with statics was noted: if one person fails to turn up for any reason and you can't reschedule the event, then you're pretty much out of luck if you can't find a random guy that just happens to need the same thing as you do.

If you call up a friend to play tennis and he doesn't show up you're also pretty much out of luck if you can't find a random guy to play tennis with you.

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

If you call up a friend to play tennis and he doesn't show up you're also pretty much out of luck if you can't find a random guy to play tennis with you.

Not so! You can always play against the backboard. It isn't particularly challenging or rewarding, but at least you can play! In fact, the backboard is so much more accessible, why don't we just take out the nets?

That's basically what I feel has happened. Old FFXI: Not enough backboards. New FFXI: No nets.

[Ketaru]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I'm I'm not denying that Post-Abyssea FFXi has issues. I'm just bemused by the fact that people want to go back to how FFXI was before Abyssea.

Did I say I wanted to go back? I can agree that, in most ways, the game is better now while still wishing some things hadn't become lost in transition. The game wasn't, shall we say, sustainable as it was back then. The fact people began leaving it in droves was proof enough of that. But at the same time, while it was still new to everybody, it was still a fresh experience that I doubt I would've gotten anywhere else.

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I still say they should have made level caps optional rather than removing them completely. And I said that long before CoP. My Shadow Lord got blitzed by 75s almost before I was out of the cutscene. I would have loved to have the opportunity to do that fight with a party of 60s.

Kind of backtracking a bit, but I always wanted the ability to redo fights for the hell of it.

Also, I was equally disappointed by overworld NM mission fights where the possibility of a cap doesn't even exist and you could theoretically steamroll them with an alliance if you wanted to.

[Yygdrasil]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Sorry but I can't help but facepalm at the posts where people want to go back to a time where:

• If you didn't have a RDM, NIN, SAM, COR or BRD you could never merit.
  Not true. I was invited to merit parties on a regular basis on SMN. In fact, 3 or more SMNs with a RDM, BRD or even just more SMNs could own house and keep chains going with P. Claws spam. Every job had a place in merit parties. Just because there happened to be a known setup that worked "best" or "most efficiently" didn't mean squat. If you weren't invited, you weren't promoting yourself well enough.
• If you played a mage job not called "Red Mage" or "Scholar" you didn't get into ANY event.
  Also incorrect. Although RDM and SCH were highly useful in most situations, nothing beat out a WHM in terms of long-term healing. Supplimenting one with a RDM in addition was always a good idea though. And what about BLM? You're telling me that ANY event you went to was completely devoid of ANY BLMs? I find that incredibly hard to believe.
• Where it would take months at a time to hit 75 on a job, then you would discover that because it's not a RDM, NIN, SAM, BRD or COR, all of that time was spent on nothing.
  Maybe I'm misunderstanding... but when you hit 75 for the first time, did you or did you not have a greater sense of accomplishment and self-satisfaction than when you hit 99 now? As for the jobs you listed... just because they were the most useful and the biggest staples to regular party setups didn't make them the only usable jobs, it just made them versatile and desirable. What you're saying is no different than saying "I built a fortune 500 computer company, but since it's not Microsoft or Apple... I wasted my time.
• If you didn't already have every single Mission and Quest done before even purchasing the game you would never get help to get them done.
  Exaggeration of the decade. You know how I got all my missions done (when my only job was SMN/WHM mind you)? I made my own parties. I joined and left and rejoined statics and pick ups... because guess what? There are hundreds of people on every server who are waiting around just like you are to get those same missions done. The difference between them and me? I stopped waiting around for one of them to shout for a group and did it myself.
• Where attempting Missions or quests would cost you a small fortune in items and consumables.
  Almost all of which were also farm-able or craft-able. And the ones that weren't were usually just a product of price gouging. That still exists and always will.
• If you didn't already have weapon skills maxed out you were stuck being gimped unless you were one of the above jobs for a Skill Up party.
  What kind of nonsense is this? Skillup parties NEVER judged you based on your job, lol. If you wanted to come on PLD and whack at stuff with a Staff, you were welcome to. This claim is just ridiculous.
• If you even dared turn up with a Subjob that wasn't /NIN, even if you were a DD, you were kicked from the group
  If they kicked you for that, you didn't want to be a member of that party in the first place. Besides, COR was acceptable as /BRD and vise versa, SMN was acceptable and /SCH or /WHM, DRG was ALWAYS acceptable as /WHM, NIN was ok as /WAR... and you get where I'm going with this.
• If you turned up with a weapon that wasn't your class' best weapon you were kicked.
  Flagrant Exaggeration #2
• Where White Mages would literally go for months at a time without an invite to ANY event (My record is SIX MONTHS).
  Again... you sat around waiting for someone else to invite you? What was stopping you from forming your own party? At any given time there were around 50 people looking for a group in all zones. ALL OF THEM WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE. Stop complaining that you didn't get invited to a party and start throwing your own. It's so goddamn easy...
• Where to get anything done, you need a full group of people that all want the same thing done.
  Apart from a few missions or quests that were just undesirable to undertake, you could low man almost any mission with 4-5 people. Finding those 4-5 people might take some time... but again... you cant just wait around for someone else to shout for one in Jeuno. You have to take the reins and do it yourself if you want to get things done.
• When XP was reliant on all 6 party members being perfect for hours at a time without a rest or break and the slightest slip out or lapse of concentration would undo hours of work.
  Sure... this was annoying at times... but it was certainly a hell of a lot more fun than 18 people killing nothing but worms for 16 hours straight... or opening up boxes with the same macro for those same 16 hours.
• When there was no fast travel so you had to set gathering times for events to be an hour before the actual event.
  Flagrant Exaggeration #3: There wasn't a single zone in the game that you couldn't get to with a 1/2 hour of walking. Additionally... your start time is your start time for an event. If people can't know in advance to log out IN THAT SPOT or at least log on early SO AS NOT TO INCONVENIENCE THE PARTY, that's their fault... not the game mechanic.
• When bots were rampant and inflation killed the economy.
  You could filter and ignore... or just plain make fun of the bots... and SE is constantly providing fixes for the economy... much to the dismay of those people who like to exploit the loopholes. Also: In case you haven't noticed, there are still a shit ton of bots out there. Most of them are fishing as we speak... or trailing along behind someone as their pocket WHM. Don't believe me? Join his party and type the word "Haste". Guaranteed his WHM casts it on you.
• When it was impossible to Fish because of the above bots forcing everyone out of the market.
  It's still possible to fish... and the profit is still great. The obstacle to overcome (that has and always will be there) is the time investment of getting your skill up.
• When you would have to spend months leveling a second Job to Merit on that job because your Main Job was deemed suboptimal for Meriting
  See above... now you're repeating yourself.
• When you would have to level a third job for Dynamis because your Linkshell already has enough of your Main and Second jobs but you will never be able to lot on stuff for your main anyway because it's useless for endgame and besides, other people want it too.
  Every job has its use in (backintheday) Dynamis. If your LS told you you can't come because your only jobs were ones they had too many of... your LS was a bag of dicks. You should have left them anyway.
• When one person not turning up to an event meant you had to cancel the whole thing or risk bringing in a pick up player.
  Risk it. Always risk it. Cancelling an event is only a viable option when the missing component was someone who needed something from the event... or if you were a static and didn't want to leave a man behind... which is admirable.
• When people would act like you are an inconsiderate dick who just raped their beloved family pet because you need to leave a party because of basic needs like food or work.
  Welcome to the internet?
• When maintenance was always right in the middle of Prime Time to avoid pissing off the Precious Japanese Players
  Welcome to FFXI? They still cater to the JP before any of the rest of us. This surprises you? Just roll with it. No matter what... it was going to interrupt SOMEONES prime time. Who cares who it was? It happened in the middle of EST prime time all the time. Let out a big deep sigh of "Damnit" and move on. The victim card has been played out.
• When you had to literally attach your lips to the anus of the Party Bard to get anything done if you somehow got into a Merit Party. Because if he had a tantrum, the RDM wouldn't get Ballad and the Melee wouldn't get March and then XP would slow and everyone would leave. Let's face it, it turns bards into massive prima donnas that threw fits at the slightest thing if everyone didn't worship the ground they walked on.
  So replace them when they bitch. That's what I did. Again... I cannot stress enough how MOST of these problems you're listing are easily remedied by RUNNING YOUR OWN PARTY. Your party, your rules. BRDs were a dime a dozen in those days... and there was always one seeking.
• The days of auto-voke programmes and Linkshells having pitched battles over HNM claims and Japanese players pitching a fit whenever the spawn times were outside of Japanese Prime Time and staying up all day and night to HOLD HNMs so the death would be when they want to kill it.
  Auto-voke is still alive and well. Ask anyone who camps Gukamutz. And HNM battles? Really? Half the fun was trying to outclaim someone else. Sure the JPs would do stuff like you describe... but so would the NA players and Germans... and the French... and the UK. If an HNM drops something sexy... you bet your ass the gloves come off and it's going to be no holds barred. Why would you expect any less? You want to play nice and take turns? Where's the fun and adrenaline in that?
• Japanese players generally treating you like shit because the assumption that everyone not typing in Katakana is American, even if you're speaking in German, French or Spanish.
  And tell me. How, without knowing how to speak Japanese... do you know they're being dicks? I can type <Sorry> <No Thanks>... and you can read that in a half dozen different tones of voice. How are you telling the difference between which JP player is a dick and which isn't without knowing their tone? Are you just assuming they all are? Because now you're no better than what you're complaining about.
• American players abusing you for speaking in Japanese, German, French or Spanish.
  OMG RACISM??? REGIONAL BIAS??? UNPROVOKED HOSTILITY??? NO WAY!!! ON THE INTERNET??? Next you're going to tell me that you're upset that all Mithras were assumed to be women and that they shouldn't be stereotyped like that, right? The same thing happened with ANYONE who picked ANY female character. It just so happens that Mithra were EXCLUSIVELY female. Deal with it... grow thicker skin?
• European players abusing you for not speaking in English, German, French or Spanish.
  See above...
• Dhalmel Meme.
  That shit was hilarious... and you know it.

People still want to go back to THAT?
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