What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[jimberry1]

Most Disturbing/Annoying Moment in Abyssea

I responded to a Sobek farm shout. I joined the group as the 4th person. After shouting/waiting for about two hour before we finally got more people, we began.

I'm only able to come as NIN, COR, and THF. None of them had NIN, so I came NIN.

We did Sobek 4 times BEFORE we had to farm for pops. With the farming included, we did 9 Sobeks.

Many "Stone of Balance" items dropped, and how many did I get? NONE, ZERO, ZILCH.

Many people who come to those farms have like almost EVERY job to 90, so they want EVERY item. It makes people like me who have 1-3 jobs lose the opportunity to upgrade our main job.

Anyway, I'm mainly disturbed because:
1) some of them in the party had already collected 6 Stones, so it would have been nice if they at least passed on the rest.
2) I lost 3 of those Stones to a guy who has NIN at 79 because his NIN was, as he said, "...a work in progress". Of course, after losing two of those stones to him (which was also the 9th pop), I /ragedisbanded, and was sent hate /tells.

I guess I wish that people would be considerate of other people's job so they can better their main job rather than randomly lotting everything that drop.

[Bigfish]

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Abyssea is annoying me. There is a ton of abyssite, atma, and cruor I need to farm. For most people, it's a pretty simple matter of hopping in to an alliance and facerolling while the cruor poors in, or wiping the floor with things because people have lots of atma and abyssite. I mean I'll get there eventually, but at the moment it's not the lollerskate easy I thought it would be.

[Armando]

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Temper is eyeballed at 5%, cue the QQing.

It makes no difference to me, but you gotta admit that's pretty lol-worthy.

[Ketaru]

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Keeping up with the official rdm forum yesterday made me depressed, gave me a headache, and made me appreciate what a high percentage of non-asshats we have over here.

Trying to entertain every argument there is tiresome and a big reason why, for the last 2 weeks or so, I've pretty much completely abstained from posting there. The tunnel vision of some of the posters there astounds. And more than that, I can't believe that hardly anybody has addressed the real problem when it comes to the bottomline of RDM.

To me, I'm surprised nobody has talked about one of the comments by the rep player about how the FFXI team is generally satisfied with the resistance rates of NMs to debuffs. It's as if, if we were suddenly able to land Paralyze II on HNMs, it would be game breaking and thus anything and everything worthwhile is practically immune to it. Thus, I would love to know just what it is the devs are so afraid of being overpowered.

Not just about what RDM is not getting, but what other jobs are getting. That's why I'm always going to be sour about WHM getting Addle. Alone, some people may not think the spell is impressive. I, for one, happen to like it. At the very least, it was a debilitating effect that very few enemies seemed to be immune to. I really thought it was going to be a start of our very own line of job exclusive debuffs. Instead, it was freely given off to WHM.

So more than just the quality of the postings on the RDM forum, I've just lost complete interest in discussing updates or even looking forward to them. You all know my I try to play both sides of the fence when it comes to the frontline (in)capabilities of the job. While I can have some faith that maybe Temper will be any good (especially with the possibility it will improve with higher Enhancing magic), it will always be in the back of my head that many people who really care about the job will be unhappy that we got it. What I really, really wanted new debuffs. But what's the point? It's just going to end up in hands of some other job anyway.

Actually, to that end, I wouldn't be all that surprised if PLD ended up getting Temper in a few levels.

[cidbahamut]

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The RDM forum just depresses me on so many levels that it has ceased to be amusing.

I agree with Ketaru, we need more enfeebly goodness in our cornflakes.

[Ketaru]

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"Job-exclusive" enfeebly goodness to be specific...

...or maybe Cure V should be turned into a merit spell for WHM. Yeah, that would be about square.

[cidbahamut]

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I'll be happy if I can just turn an NM into a gibbering pile of status ailments. I don't really feel like I'm accomplishing that now, even when I can land a full set of enfeebles.

[Taskmage]

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Enfeebles have always been difficult to fully appreciate from the back line, but to a tank the difference between a fully enfeebled mob and one with no enfeebles is like night vs night of the living dead.

[Yellow Mage]

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I don't think anybody's arguing against more Enfeebling goodies.

But the concept of Temper is a well-needed, solid message that S-E wasn't going to up and abandon a whole part of the Red Mage job, even after the Manifesto (appropriately) excluded it from most HNM scenarios. (The Manifesto makes me think that we're going to get some kind of buff-transfer type of Spell or Ability at 99, actually.)

It would be an even more solid message if Temper didn't suck so much. And hopefully the proposed increases with Enhancing Magic Skill are calculated upon casting this time. Honestly, it's as if S-E are utterly petrified to give us anything useful. Meanwhile, they freely drop a new Head Butt, -15% DT, and a new Physical bomb to Blue Mage, not to mention all the requisite equipment to make the most out of all of those, I'm sure . . .

Related, my current annoyance with the official forum are people spamming Temper threads with comments like "Waste of dev time" without contributing anything to the thread, other than the perception that Red Mages shouldn't ever melee under any circumstances, at all, ever. Saying something over and over again isn't going to magically make it true, and these people are basically doing the equivalent of plugging their ears and singing "Lalala I can't hear you!" to any rebuttal made to their inane comments.

I think that solidly qualifies as a "pet peeve." Yeah.

[Taskmage]

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people are basically doing the equivalent of plugging their ears and singing "Lalala I can't hear you!"

This is my official forum pet peeve. Not only are people on both sides doing this to eachother, but even people who agree are ripping eachother's guts out with their teeth because of a refusal to read and understand anyone else's viewpoint.

[Yellow Mage]

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Check out this gem of intellect from the same person who keeps spamming Temper threads with "waste of dev time" comments:

Yeah we should all be subbing NIN and meleeing in our awesome af3 with awesome melee stats while wiffing 75% of the time and hitting for 2-10, giving the mob unlimited TP then being 1 shot by a random AOE :D

How wrong? Let me count the ways . . .

[cidbahamut]

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Ugh...Shiyo. I think we all want her to shut up and go away.

[Taskmage]

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Fact: Fanning the mob with your weapon speeds up the cooldown on their abilities.

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(Not an actual fact)

[Ketaru]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I don't think anybody's arguing against more Enfeebling goodies.

But the concept of Temper is a well-needed, solid message that S-E wasn't going to up and abandon a whole part of the Red Mage job, even after the Manifesto (appropriately) excluded it from most HNM scenarios. (The Manifesto makes me think that we're going to get some kind of buff-transfer type of Spell or Ability at 99, actually.)

It would be an even more solid message if Temper didn't suck so much. And hopefully the proposed increases with Enhancing Magic Skill are calculated upon casting this time. Honestly, it's as if S-E are utterly petrified to give us anything useful. Meanwhile, they freely drop a new Head Butt, -15% DT, and a new Physical bomb to Blue Mage, not to mention all the requisite equipment to make the most out of all of those, I'm sure . . .

Related, my current annoyance with the official forum are people spamming Temper threads with comments like "Waste of dev time" without contributing anything to the thread, other than the perception that Red Mages shouldn't ever melee under any circumstances, at all, ever. Saying something over and over again isn't going to magically make it true, and these people are basically doing the equivalent of plugging their ears and singing "Lalala I can't hear you!" to any rebuttal made to their inane comments.

The Manifesto stopped meaning a damn thing the moment they announced that they intend to do nothing about the invulnerability of certain debuffs. No amount of new debuffs will make things better if we get things like Gravity II and anything worthwhile will just resist it anyway. Of course, we got a new, highly accurate Enfeeble, but so much for it being a job defining spell (to be clear, I do not actually begrudge WHM for this and, while I don't browse the WHM forums, I doubt they were asking for it either).

It's easy to see what's wrong with wanting a melee update and many of the people advocating for it miss the point over and over about wanting to get spells that make RDM more competitive with other mage jobs. Mostly because posters like Duelle and Hyrist have such a profound disconnect with the reality of the game...

Then again, reading some of the recent replies over, the people talking about forum negativity do kind of have a point. We got Temper. The response by some posters like Shiyo is simply to sulk indignantly. For all the time people argue about not wanting melee update, you'd think people would spend more time talking about what they do want; if so many people are really for mage updates, why is nobody talking about it? Time would be more productively spent bitching about why Spontaneity being a 10 minute recast is the real slap in the face. Recast like that relegates the ability to "If I Remember to Use it" status.

Take for example the "On the Topic of RDM Magics", post count paling in comparison to the "On RDM Melee..." thread. You want to talk about developers wasting time, I'd ask how much time the anti-melee people waste on the melee thread. There's a thought: spending more time talking about what we should get than what we shouldn't get.

Lots of anger, lite on ideas...you'd think we'd be better off not getting an update at all with the kind of fervor involved (which actually might have been the only alternative...it's evident to me that giving THF Bully means they don't actually want to update THF for whatever reason)

[Yygdrasil]

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Posting in the wrong thread. Thats my peeve... there... I changed it.