What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[cidbahamut]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Well it did start as a trio and just sort of Katamari'd from there to a full party somehow.

As for SMN soloing, while they can do it, the argument doesn't hold up so well when the person playing SMN would prefer to party. Some nights you just don't want to solo, you know?

[Mhurron]

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Except at some point reality has to set in. No one ever wanted to level in the dunes. SE has added things so they don't have to so people don't. You can either choose to work with this or don't bother playing.

Oh and people were soloing to 20 instead of partying in the dunes before Abyssea was released. This one you can't blame on Abyssea.

[cidbahamut]

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I blame everything on Abyssea and I'm almost always correct. It has become a running joke in our shell.

[Satori]

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I totally agree with cid.
Allthough people can duo/trio etc it doesnt mean people want to team up with you. People used to make friends by teaming up which luckily for some is great since they already have the people to team up with.
Also politely approaching a smaller group proves futile even in decent gear and with items that you will need. People are happy with their friends in smaller groups. I had to resort to lvling smn following the solo guide on wiki.

Abyssea is a good addition to the game. From what I've seen it's pretty good. I'm glad cid agrees with me though because abyssea has ripped the heart out of the game. Whenever I've mentioned it I always get the same go solo/duo/trio retort or that low level parties do exist. Well if they do exist I'm sure as not seeing them or being invited to them. It's not like I even have a bad rep on my server. I've mentored folk from their first day online to even giving advice when they pass where I am in the game. I buff jobs that are unable to buff themselves, cure those in need and raise the fallen. I even switch jobs to give tele's for free when people are /sh for them. I can't imagine people aware of my character would call me a bad/gimp player.

It's just frustrating, I'd jump for joy to be invited to a dunes party that's how desperate I am.

[Romyro]

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I absolutely don’t think Abyssea ripped the heart out of the game. If anything its a tool to get to where you want to be faster (sure, maybe too fast…but that’s a different topic). I’d blame the community. As far as leveling, all the old stuff is still there waiting for you and hasn’t changed much. Don’t get so angry at SE, get angry at the people who don’t want to experience the game the same way you do.

It’s like saying Craftsman ruined building things because they came out with a power drill…I cant find anyone that wants to use a screwdriver anymore.

(bad analogy…but whatever, go with it)

[cidbahamut]

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As far as leveling, all the old stuff is still there waiting for you and hasn’t changed much. Don’t get so angry at SE, get angry at the people who don’t want to experience the game the same way you do.

The content is there, the people are not and therein lies the problem. I will continue to get angry at SE because it is their game design that has encouraged the situation.

Good luck trying to justify the eradication of low level content to new players who have yet to experience it and progress past it the way we have.

[Taskmage]

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As a new character my pet peeve is not being able to buy half the darn gear and spells I need because my home country happens to suck on this server. What kind of red mage doesn't even know paralyze? It's bad enough that the auction houses are empty; that's expected. But the NPC vendors? GRRRRRRRR

[cidbahamut]

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Doesn't Paralyze drop off beastmen mages? Go stab some Quadavs, that'll get you sorted out. Or better yet send Yyg to Jeuno with a shopping list.

[Taskmage]

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I've been massacring the yagudo mages with all four of the jobs I've brought through saruta so far. I got my blind and bind scrolls, but para just will not drop. Poison would be really nice to have, too, but that doesn't even drop from anything so I just have to flag down some shellmate if they're ever passing through Bastok or Sandy to get that for me.

[Romyro]

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The content is there, the people are not and therein lies the problem. I will continue to get angry at SE because it is their game design that has encouraged the situation.

Again, I don’t disagree that there's design flaws…but you’re mad they made it easier to get the 2m+ xp (or however much it is) to get to 90? And that people are utilizing that new way instead of the old way? Sorry to hear that bud…maybe this just isn’t the game for you anymore. Maybe you should pick up a different Final Fantasy. One that will never change.
One where you can complete goals such as…

• Complete my Arfifact armor
• Beat up Maat
• Reach level 75

Then move on with your life.

People are now soloing/duoing/trioing to 20. Speeding their way to 30. Burning up to 90. I don’t agree with it but to me, these days theirs more than the grind. Some lucky folks such as me and many many other got to experience it. Some worse than others. But eventually you gotta realize there’s another world out there beyond xping.

Should you plan on staying, maybe now is a good time to hit 90 and make up new goals. Goals that will be good for 2 years then shot down again by another add on. In which case you rinse repeat the process again.

[Mhurron]

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What kind of red mage doesn't even know paralyze?

The wife partied with one once. Lots and lots of new(er) people don't buy spells.

[cidbahamut]

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Again, I don’t disagree that there's design flaws…but you’re mad they made it easier to get the 2m+ xp (or however much it is) to get to 90? And that people are utilizing that new way instead of the old way? Sorry to hear that bud…maybe this just isn’t the game for you anymore. Maybe you should pick up a different Final Fantasy. One that will never change.
One where you can complete goals such as…

• Complete my Arfifact armor
• Beat up Maat
• Reach level 75

Then move on with your life.

People are now soloing/duoing/trioing to 20. Speeding their way to 30. Burning up to 90. I don’t agree with it but to me, these days theirs more than the grind. Some lucky folks such as me and many many other got to experience it. Some worse than others. But eventually you gotta realize there’s another world out there beyond xping.

Should you plan on staying, maybe now is a good time to hit 90 and make up new goals. Goals that will be good for 2 years then shot down again by another add on. In which case you rinse repeat the process again.

Mmmm, flamebait...I'll bite.

I'm not mad that it's easier to level, but I am disgruntled with how it was implemented and how it has had a distinctly detrimental effect on the game, and on one of my linkshell members in particular. Yeah, I guess you glossed over the part where I pointed out that the current situation was driving away a new player and not me.

You can rattle on all day about it's not so bad, but that won't change the reality of the situation: Bad game design choices are discouraging new folks from playing.

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But eventually you gotta realize there’s another world out there beyond xping.

And how does one get there? By exping.

Hmmmm....

[Romyro]

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You know what…your right. This IS the pet peeves thread after all. And clearly this is a pet peeve of yours. So I apologize for the flamebait.

Yeah, I guess you glossed over the part where I pointed out that the current situation was driving away a new player and not me.

More like misinterpreted. So I’ll apologize again.

None the less...Your ‘new player’ choose Smn. A job that’s had a shit load of partying problems since the beginning of time. I leveled Smn. I’ve been there. It was a bitch to do even 6 years ago. Trust me, dune parties weren't like "OMG A SMN LFP, GET IT GET IT". Welcome to the lovely world of Smn. Tell your friend it doesn’t ever change. Tell him he’s lucky to have a friend like you that will party with him.

i think i was level 61-63 for a month. wanna talk about discouraging?

Any serious smn will tell you they did their time ‘soloing’ bombs/bees/gobs while LFPs. And that they got discouraged many times. Why do you think they were so touchy after Astral Burns.

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But eventually you gotta realize there’s another world out there beyond xping the old fashion way.

does that make it any better?

[cidbahamut]

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None the less...Your ‘new player’ choose Smn. A job that’s had a shit load of partying problems since the beginning of time. I leveled Smn. I’ve been there. It was a bitch to do even 6 years ago. Trust me, dune parties weren't like "OMG A SMN LFP, GET IT GET IT". Welcome to the lovely world of Smn. Tell your friend it doesn’t ever change. Tell him he’s lucky to have a friend like you that will party with him.

Fair enough, there are a number of problems with SMN and getting parties on it is certainly one of them. However this player is one of those people who likes to sample a little bit of what every job has to offer, so I'm not certain if he was only having problems on SMN or if SMN was just the breaking point.

Regardless, it's just really discouraging to see a friend get so utterly demoralized while the playerbase plugs their fingers in their ears, hums loudly and pretends there isn't a problem with what's going on. Keeping the game accessible to newer folks is important for the overall health of the game and I worry that if both the players and the devs lose sight of that then the game is sunk.

[Romyro]

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I feel bad for your friend. I really do. Like I said…I’ve been there. 2-3 times over infact (Bst/Smn/Pup)…except I knew what to expect when I started Pup. I’ve been discouraged many times. I even regrettably leveled Brd back in the day just to be somewhat liked. I quit once for ~10 months… (maybe not at the dunes level…but times have changed).

I commend you for helping out. People like you and Yyg are few and far between lately. With all this new stuff it’s really hard to back to the dunes for a lolxp party.

But what do you expect? And I’m not trying to say that in a dickish way. What new changes can you think of to welcome new players? They’ve already double xp rates, added FoV books…trio-ish parties are more common. He’s new coming in to an old game. IMO an MMO needs to build a strong game base early on because that’s when your going to get the most new comers. The game probably gets new people everyday but I doubt it’s that many. Even less if they spread out across servers.

Unfortunately though I don’t think this is a game for new players anymore. Or at least new players that don’t have a friend to help them out. Many people (myself included) feel as though that the game has sunk in that aspect. And IMO it’s not just game design. FFXI is old. People want new shiny games. Hot off the press. Games where they cant just read a wiki page telling them what job you need and how to do each mission in full detail. I think SE is starting to see this as well. I think the game will still go on for years, but they’re turning their focus to Vets and returning vets.

I agree with you in SOME areas. Yes, design flaws up the waszoo. I personally think abyssea access should be 50+. That way you can’t just burn your subjobs. I mean abyssea at 30?? Really??? But aside from that, I don’t think it should change. I enjoy the faster xp so I can merit my guy up and start doing other things. I don’t want to xp grind for months. I want to gain levels, pratice a little with the new abilities then use them out on missions/events/NMs. Not the same stupid beetle for 250xp a pop.