What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

How can you make the assumption that Galka don't penises? What makes your statement anymore valid than mine? Galkas are mammals; they reincarnate and therefore have no need for breast feeding, besides this one tiny thing, what else makes them not mammals?

Your dictionary's definition of the word mammal: any vertebrate of the class Mammalia, having the body more or less covered with hair, nourishing the young with milk from the mammary glands, and, with the exception of the egg-laying monotremes, giving birth to live young. They do have hair, but they don't nourish their young with milk (unless you're prepared to assert that a galka's large pecs are actually breasts) and (again, unless you disagree) they do not lay eggs or give birth. Therefore they do not meet two of the three requirements for being called a mammal.

The only person in the entire world who knows, for sure, wheter or not Galka have a penis or not is the team who thought of the race in the first place. What is the point of this argument? Where is it going?
Penis is also used for urination.

It's not going anywhere, so why do you continue argueing? XD I'm doing it because it's fun.

Ok, very well I'll concede your first point. Nobody actually knows whether galka have penises except their designers who probably gave it much less thought than we just did. Thus, I will accept that galka have a Schrödinger's penis which has a 50% probability.

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

What we know: Galka are male.
What we want to know: Do Galka have penises?

If something has a penis, it is male. True.
If something is male, it has a penis. False, for all the reasons explained before. This is what you're saying.

That aside, mammals do not have scales, they breast-feed, and they reproduce sexually. Galka's tails look scaly to me, they do not breast-feed, and they do not reproduce sexually. They lack key characteristics of mammals. Even platipi are closer to being a true mammal than Galka since they actually have sex.

You cannot prove that Galkas are mammals. You're just assuming that they are, because humans/humanoids are mammals, but then again the other humanoid races reproduce sexually and can breast-feed their babies.

Thus, I will accept that galka have a Schrödinger's penis which has a 50% probability.

33%. We don't know if they have vaginas.

[Auron517]

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Therefore they do not meet two of the three requirements for being called a mammal.It's not going anywhere, so why do you continue argueing? XD I'm doing it because it's fun.
Ok, very well I'll concede your first point. Nobody actually knows whether galka have penises except their designers who probably gave it much less thought than we just did. Thus, I will accept that galka have a Schrödinger's penis which has a 50% probability.

Once again, fantasy game. Fafnir can exist, buta mammal that doens't lay eggs or feed thier young milk can not? And I didn't know my comment would spark a three page debate. Had I known that it would have caused this much hoopla, I woulda just ignored it.

Ok, very well I'll concede your first point. Nobody actually knows whether galka have penises except their designers who probably gave it much less thought than we just did. Thus, I will accept that galka have a Schrödinger's penis which has a 50% probability.

Thank you Agreeing to disagree is the only way to walk out of this without hours and hours of senseless dribble.
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What we know: Galka are male.
What we want to know: Do Galka have penises?
If something has a penis, it is male. True.
If something is male, it has a penis. False, for all the reasons explained before. This is what you're saying.
That aside, mammals do not have scales, they breast-feed, and they reproduce sexually. Galka's tails look scaly to me, they do not breast-feed, and they do not reproduce sexually. They lack key characteristics of mammals. Even platipi are closer to being a true mammal than Galka since they actually have sex.
You cannot prove that Galkas are mammals. You're just assuming that they are, because humans/humanoids are mammals, but then again the other humanoid races reproduce sexually and can breast-feed their babies.
33%. We don't know if they have vaginas.

This is the first time I heard that said. Galka tails are certainly not scaly. What led you to believe that this is so? Create a Galka mule and look at their skin...see any scales there? See any reference to Galka being scaly in the story or dialouge?

Once again, a mammal that doesn't have sex or breast feed isn't possible in Vana'diel? I think we'd do best like I did with Murphie and agree to disagree ; ; Either that or get an SE official to come in here and settle this.

And a vagina? C'mon now, Galkas cetainly don't have one of those. You can't even argue that one.

[BurningPanther]

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Ok, very well I'll concede your first point. Nobody actually knows whether galka have penises except their designers who probably gave it much less thought than we just did. Thus, I will accept that galka have a Schrödinger's penis which has a 50% probability.

Actually the only reason I brought up the point is because someone from the development team, at some point, stated that Galka were asexual; being neither male nor female. It looks as though I'll spend the next day or so trying to find where they said that, but I'll share it once I do.

And then, once and for all, CRUSH the hopes of all Galka John Holmes-hopefuls!!!

/evilcackle

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Once again, fantasy game. Fafnir can exist, buta mammal that doens't lay eggs or feed thier young milk can not?

A hairy animal that produces milk and gives birth is the definition of "mammal." If you're going to say that an animal that doesn't give milk or birth can be a mammal in this fantasy world, then I may as well just say that a flat patch of skin between the legs can be a penis and then we can really get some agreeing done.

Avoiding an indepth argument on genes, GALKA ARE NOT GENDERLESS. It says Galka Male for the umpteenth time. If they did not have a gender, why with the male only restrictions?

Because nobody wants to see

THIS

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Once again, a mammal that doesn't have sex or breast feed isn't possible in Vana'diel?

No, because then it's not a mammal. That's like asking if an elliptical square could exist in a fantasy world.

And S-E did say Galka are asexual. If it helps, BurningPanther, I believe it was in the same interview they asked if they would allow same-sex marriage.

And a vagina? C'mon now, Galkas cetainly don't have one of those. You can't even argue that one.

It can be argued very simply, if I wanted to; since they don't reproduce sexually, and you support the claim that they have a penis, then you're also supporting the statement that they have a sexual reproduction organ for no reason other than pleasure. Since it has no reproductive function, it could just as well be a vagina and there'd be no difference.

But that was a joke. I'm not gonna touch that one.

[Taskmage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Actually the only reason I brought up the point is because someone from the development team, at some point, stated that Galka were asexual; being neither male nor female. It looks as though I'll spend the next day or so trying to find where they said that, but I'll share it once I do.
And then, once and for all, CRUSH the hopes of all Galka John Holmes-hopefuls!!!
/evilcackle

{Found it!} => https://secure.playonline.com/polapp...6polg_loc%3Den

Currently we are only accepting marriages of 2 characters with different gender (gender of players controlling the character do not matter). Although Galkas do not have gender, they are considered as male (groom) in wedding service.

There you have it, from the developers.

[BurningPanther]

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I knew I wasn't just seeing things.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! YOU WILL NEVER HAVE FUTURE IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN GONZO PORN, SPORTING TARUTARU AS STRAP-ONS, TO BE USED ON EXTREMELY LOOSE MITHRAS!

DEAL WITH IT, GALKA SWINE!

/evilcackle

[eticket109]

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{Found it!} => https://secure.playonline.com/polapp...6polg_loc%3Den
There you have it, from the developers.

I knew I read that somewhere

[Necropolis]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Auron has either never really looked at his character or has never worn a subligar.

Ignoring that fact that SE states they are genderless, as a taru I can attest 100% that they either do not have penii or if they do it is infinitesimaly small. Take your pick. Personally if those were my choices I'd state that I do not have a penis. It's one thing to walk around and state that you're male despite not having having a penis, but it's quite another to walk around stating 'Look at how big my hands are' when you're packing something that small.

Since FFXI for the most part is based in at least some truth in real world mechanicx, and we're arguing over mammel, reptilian or what not; state one creature in existance that has penis that doesn't use it to reproduce sexually. To my knowledge there is not one in existance, if we apply that to FFXI we can only assume that since there is no precedence in real life to support it, Galkas do not have a penis.

Why would SE design a creature to have a penis with no other use? We know that they reproduce through reincarnation, but we do not know the method of it. SE says that when they near the end of thier life they walk into the forest and a young Galka walks out. So your options are:

A) They magically make a new Galka (feasable in a fantasy game)
B) Commit acts of beastiality in the forest to reproduce with thier penis. (Certainly changes my views about the Galkas in the storylines)

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

No, not exactly. While this may be a fantasy game, there are still real life elements in it. It's just ridiculous to regulate everything in the game with the same limitations we have in life.

Is it that hard to believe in a fantasy game that a certain group of men with a penis can reincarnate themselves? ><

Your arguments are far too convenient. If you use real life elements to support Auron's view point, it's reasoning and logic. If you use real life elements to argue the counter point, you're ignoring the fantasy aspect of the game.

Apparently, what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.

goose... gander... debate on genders... geddit!?!

[Raydeus]

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Aka you were so right.

[Taskmage]

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You know, I completely forgot about that bit. It certainly would bypass conventional evolution, but then what about the biological? Why they may benefit from racial memory, reincarnation doesn't seem to afford them the ability to adapt physically to any environmental changes.
I think I may have gotten too deep with this.

Humans do a poor job of biological adaptation too, but since we've found ways to bypass genetics as the primary carrier of variance and innovation between generations we find it fairly easy to cheat the system. Galka would be the same way but moreso in theory, but in practice their low numbers put them at a disadvantage to the more prolific races, humes in particular.

As a more tangible approach, Galka are physically the sturdiest race in Vana'diel and are thematically able to withstand and presumably flourish within the inhosipitable climate of the desert. Maybe the galka frame is already built well enough to withstand whatever environmental changes Vana'diel could throw at them. They're like primitive Protoss.

[Necropolis]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Maybe the galka frame is already built well enough, without a penis, to withstand whatever environmental changes Vana'diel could throw at them. They're like primitive Protoss.

You left something out there...

Now the real question, do Protoss have a penis? We know there are male and female Protoss, but are they mammels? A question perhaps that should be proposed to the official bored at work thread...

[Feba]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Ok, Ok, we all agree that Galka don't have penises.


As for a real question, how do tarus procreate?


I've personally never thought it was very different, but it seems people don't like the idea of tarus doing that...