What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Kirsteena]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

It bums me out. I know back when I was in my 40's I used to talk to 75 whm's just for advice and I got told that whm was in high demand for endgame. Apparently times have changed.

It is. Just not necessarily merits. Actually my favourite back line is whm rdm and brd, for places like Nyzul Isle Mamool you kinda need that - Rushing Drub followed by Firespit sucks hard and will drop your melee like bricks without C5 and decent regen.

[Irisjir Callard]

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"Lol y we ned rdm? brd cn haste."

PLD seems to have difficulty getting invites (At least I've seen a number pf pt's refuse to invite them) and drk, at least on midgard, doesn't use mp hardly at all, so refresh has become a non-issue. Nobody invites MP-users anymore.

And as I understand it, RDM and WHM are interchangeable, possibly with a slight prefrence going to rdm because they have more offensive magic.

Maybe it's different on your server or in your timezone.

[Tokitoki]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

RDM are a preference because of convert, not because of black magic.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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RDM are a preference because of convert

No, they're not. If a RDM is converting each time its up, something is wrong with the PT or how that RDM spends MP. RDMs are preferred over WHM for refresh+haste+cures in one package, nothing more.

[Sevv]

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No, they're not. If a RDM is converting each time its up, something is wrong with the PT or how that RDM spends MP. RDMs are preferred over WHM for refresh+haste+cures+Convert in one package, nothing more.

Convert and refresh are what sets rdm away from whm. Because with a brd your basic list of +mp is this

Whm
/smn auto-refresh
sanction refresh
Ballad 1
Ballad 2

Rdm
Sanction Refresh
Ballad 1
Ballad 2
Refresh
Convert

Both have haste cure and raise, ofcourse whm get r2 and r3. Convert is a huge bonus to why Rdm chosen over whm. If you seriously believe convert isn't a deciding factor please dear god stop meriting.

[hongman]

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No, they're not. If a RDM is converting each time its up, something is wrong with the PT or how that RDM spends MP

Gotta disagree there....

If an RDM isnt Converting each its up, some can arguable say he/she isnt doing their best.

If Converting at the timer means bad MP management, does that then also mean RDMs who merit Convert Recast are "bad" RDM's? Or they are catering for "wrong" pts?

I know you know what I mean - what I quoted was just a bit rash imo.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Both have haste cure and raise, ofcourse whm get r2 and r3. Convert is a huge bonus to why Rdm chosen over whm. If you seriously believe convert isn't a deciding factor please dear god stop meriting.

Since you're wrong, why don't you just stop meritting?

OK, its a deciding factor for people who don't play RDM, don't play it right or unthinking melees who pull too much hate and are too damn retarded to count thier shadows. But a good RDM shouldn't need to constantly convert in merit PTs, especially with a BRD present giving them ballads.

Shit, I've done COR+WHM and pulled high chains because my melees could count their shadows and the WHM knew how to spend their MP. Evoker's+Healer's Roll on that WHM and he would never tap out. It wasn't even WARx4. It was SAM/MNK/DRK/NIN/COR/WHM.

It can be done without convert, but not refresh or +hMP. Hence, Refresh is why RDM is preferred.

If you have RDM+BRD in your PT and everyone is /NIN, the RDM should not need to convert often.

If Converting at the timer means bad MP management, does that then also mean RDMs who merit Convert Recast are "bad" RDM's? Or they are catering for "wrong" pts?

If you have 600 MP and Convert is up, why the hell would you convert? Just because its there?

Merriting convert is merriting a job ability for endgame purposes. That's different. Merit PTs are not endgame.

[hongman]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Depends on what you are fighting also...

Against birds? Providng you have decent melee, then MP useage is pretty minimal. But I have had tard melees that cant count shadows, so I spend lots of MP. Not so much that I "run out" but still.

Against Mamool? MP use is much higher. Not going bother explaining why.

bbq, you have to remember that not every gets these meripos that are perfect. Most of mine are decent, but they are just that, decent - not outstanding.

Oh, and I also have partied with plenty of brds that cant keep ballad on me even 50% of the time.


Lots of factors!

[Mhurron]

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It can be done without convert, but not refresh or +hMP

It can be done without Haste and refresh too. So I suppose those are also not reasons why RDM gets chosen either?

RDM is chosen over WHM because they do not rest. They don't have to because of Refresh AND Convert, because those two abilities are what makes it look like RDM has limitless MP.

Shit, I've done COR+WHM and pulled high chains because my melees could count their shadows and the WHM knew how to spend their MP. Evoker's+Healer's Roll on that WHM and he would never tap out. It wasn't even WARx4. It was SAM/MNK/DRK/NIN/COR/WHM.

OMFG you can merit without 4x WAR's, BRD and a RDM, someone call Rick Romero and get him on this scoop.

No one said you have to have a RDM, they stated why RDM is popular. And you can argue till you're blue in the face that you can do it without a RDM - BRD and while you're right that doesn't change the following:

RDM is popular
RDM is popular because of Refresh and Convert.

[Sevv]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Since you're wrong, why don't you just stop meritting?
OK, its a deciding factor for people who don't play RDM, don't play it right or unthinking melees who pull too much hate and are too damn retarded to count thier shadows. But a good RDM shouldn't need to constantly convert in merit PTs, especially with a BRD present giving them ballads.
Shit, I've done COR+WHM and pulled high chains because my melees could count their shadows and the WHM knew how to spend their MP. Evoker's+Healer's Roll on that WHM and he would never tap out. It wasn't even WARx4. It was SAM/MNK/DRK/NIN/COR/WHM.
It can be done without convert, but not refresh or +hMP. Hence, Refresh is why RDM is preferred.
If you have RDM+BRD in your PT and everyone is /NIN, the RDM should not need to convert. Ever.

I play rdm actually for a second time lol, I don't convert every 10 min or even close to every 10 min lol. Show me where in my post I said Convert is huge for that every 10 min use. When building a long chain party, I enjoy picking rdm's because of refresh and convert, because I know if we get in that tight spot where mp is very low and chain may stop with a whm, that convert just bought us alot more exp without stopping. Mp wears alot by chain 270, convert well place got me to chain 365 in nyzule isle. People don't chose their healer based on 1 ability they chose it based on the whole package, so don't play it off like refresh or gtfo!

Seriously you leveled Rdm right? You ever done the burn pt on it eventually you will hit low spot on mp especially when some firespits ignore shadows. Mamjool Camp @ nyzule isle + birds when you clear waiting on pops will hurt mp. It is all based on the full job not one spell. Thats why i invite Red Mage before whms (i have seen some whm do amazing things in the game don't get me wrong) and Bards before corsairs for the buffs/sleep/pull (Meet a few good corsairs from my ls just have bad luck with most of them, and brds treat me well.)

[Tokitoki]

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Since you're wrong, why don't you just stop meritting?

I almost fell out of my chair from laughing, which would have been bad since I'm at work.


Ok since Refresh is the reason they are invited lets look at this.

WHM/SMN lv75
Larger base MP pool (usually)
Nobles Tunic
Auto-refresh
Sanction refresh

3mp/tick

RDM/WHM lv75
Convert (which leads to more MP overall)
Refresh
Sanction refresh

4mp/tick

Yes that 1 more mp/tick is so much better. Granted the RDM COULD have Duelist's Chapeau for another 1mp/tick, but a lot of Dynamis shells have trouble getting those so it's not a common thing.

So who is going to do better in the long run? The RDM. Why? Not because of his 1 extra MP/tick (though it does add up in a 3hr long PT), but because if we are pulling mobs constantly, if they dont have time to rest he can easily Convert. A WHM will have to rest to get their MP back which isn't so bad with a good amount of hMP, but the RDM can have the same gear.

It's definitely not about Cures and Haste in one package... *cough*

[Sevv]

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Win

Forgot to add the nobles in my little write up but ty and that was the best way to quote your post.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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God you people have no grasp on context.

The whole conversation has been about BRD + RDM in a merit PT. For the love of god, read before you start posting. If you have BRD + RDM + sanction, why would the RDM need to convert? 7 MP per tick from this combination.

Again, if you need to convert after that, something is wrong with the PT or the RDM.

If your BRD isn't keeping ballad on the RDM, have the balls to tell that BRD to find another PT. If you can't get melee that will keep shadows up, find melee who will. If the RDM only uses Cure IV to heal people, find another one.

[Mhurron]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

No, the topic was RDM is not wanted in merit parties. It may be true that we don't have a grasp of context, but you seem to need to work on abilities prior to that.

if you need to convert after that, something is wrong with the PT or the RDM

Or you know, they're partying and killing stuff very fast. I wouldn't need convert at all if i was just sitting in the Whitegate waiting for someone to pick me up because no RDM or BRD wasn't around either.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I wouldn't need convert at all if i was just sitting in the Whitegate waiting for someone to pick me up because no RDM or BRD wasn't around either.

Yeah, it really kills me that I get to play my jobs to thier description. You don't.