What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Sevv]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

should i even touch this?

Whm can be just as effective as rdms in merit parties.

[Vapors]

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Everyone knows that a rdm can main heal at many levels of the game, but that doesn't mean you are the only ones.

Whm can can last just as long as rdm in merit parties making just as good exp. While rdm have several mp recovery abilities/spells, whm have mp saving spells like higher level regen, protectra/shellra, and of course all the -na spells when coupled with Divine Seal makes them AoE.

Sure rdms are great, but even a half decent whm can preform just as well or better than rdms in meripo. Please don't make whm out to be nothing but a Raise III whore for dynamis and other events. We are just as good in a party as you are. Even as "King of Enfeebling", I've yet to have problems enfeebling any mob in exp, and can do quiet well in other events such as dynamis/kings.

well if you have any other job and pt with a good rdm in a burn, rdm can full heal everyone, haste everyone. and enfeeble mobs. i have 325 enfeebling i beleive with capped merits and gear, and i still think i have trouble enfeebling sometimes. usually gods though, but alot easier then when i first started. trust me whms are good yes, but they cannot keep up with a rdm who never needs to rest that can convert every 7 min with 968 mp

[Vapors]

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no resting? i have yet to seen a whm that doesnt need to rest. and especially with no refresh. if you xp in imperial standing area, you get +1 refresh, +3 for brd songs. +3 refresh for rdm spell. plus +1 if you have dalmatica, i hardly see a whm touching that without resting.

[Vapors]

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i believe they can be used and do a good job in a merit pt. but to say they can be just as effective as a rdm is jibberish. a good rdm is the backbone of a good merit pt. so as the brd. but yes everyone plays a part. i know everyone is defensive over their job. but im just talking in sense of the best merit pt, i am someone who likes to get 30k in an xp an hour. same reason i dont party with plds, they dont do any dmg. but end game, plds are awsome.

[Murphie]

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what the fact that whms get mad because they are uneeded in xp pts? that rdms can make a melee burn throw a brd in and do 30k xp an hour?

75 ninja fully merited
75 rdm fully merited

Hey genius. He's pointing out that you're saying that WHM is only really useful at endgame. But you won't party with them, meaning that you won't help them get to endgame.

[Vapors]

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Hey genius. He's pointing out that you're saying that WHM is only really useful at endgame. But you won't party with them, meaning that you won't help them get to endgame.

so you go and level with people you dont know? just to help a whitemage get to 75 that is in another linkshell that would be competitive with you? when you could xp with whms in your own linkshell and help them? thats rediculous, i will xp with anyone in my ls, i am talking about random people you invite.

[Necropolis]

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no resting? i have yet to seen a whm that doesnt need to rest. and especially with no refresh. if you xp in imperial standing area, you get +1 refresh, +3 for brd songs. +3 refresh for rdm spell. plus +1 if you have dalmatica, i hardly see a whm touching that without resting.

So now I have to stand in a party to be perfectly acceptable to a party? Everyone merits in ToAU, with the few bones pts and what not in KRT. But by using /smn, Nobles, and Sanction, I have 3mp/tick refresh. Through in a bard (because everyone merits with a bard) I have 6. Now I usually merit with a Relic bard, so even more for me. If I can find a cor, hell I'll take that as well too, meaning I'm nearing the point where I don't have to rest much at all.

So what you can convert every 7 minutes? I have a hell of a lot more MP than you, as well as higher Clear Mind traits, so every tick I rest, I'm getting more and more mp back than any rdm could resting. Not to mention your cures are less effective, as the standard whm gear includes a light staff/templar mace and a Noble's tunic. So 20% cure potency for me.

I can haste the entire party, as well as enfeeble (though if the mob is only alive for 20 seconds I don't bother with anything but Dia II). I normally merit with LS mates as either war,war,mnk,whm,brd,brd or rotate the mnk out for another war or nin. We regularly surpass 30k/hr, with no rdm what so ever and both bards as /nin.

You don't party with whms because you don't need them, I don't party with rdms because I don't need them. That does not make one job better than the other.

[Vapors]

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So now I have to stand in a party to be perfectly acceptable to a party? Everyone merits in ToAU, with the few bones pts and what not in KRT. But by using /smn, Nobles, and Sanction, I have 3mp/tick refresh. Through in a bard (because everyone merits with a bard) I have 6. Now I usually merit with a Relic bard, so even more for me. If I can find a cor, hell I'll take that as well too, meaning I'm nearing the point where I don't have to rest much at all.

So what you can convert every 7 minutes? I have a hell of a lot more MP than you, as well as higher Clear Mind traits, so every tick I rest, I'm getting more and more mp back than any rdm could resting. Not to mention your cures are less effective, as the standard whm gear includes a light staff/templar mace and a Noble's tunic. So 20% cure potency for me.

I can haste the entire party, as well as enfeeble (though if the mob is only alive for 20 seconds I don't bother with anything but Dia II). I normally merit with LS mates as either war,war,mnk,whm,brd,brd or rotate the mnk out for another war or nin. We regularly surpass 30k/hr, with no rdm what so ever and both bards as /nin.

You don't party with whms because you don't need them, I don't party with rdms because I don't need them. That does not make one job better than the other.

go level rdm i bet you never use whm unless absolutely necessary. rdms can do it all. whms can only heal. so what cures are a little less effective, you have to get all that gear just to TRY to keep up with a rdm. if you didnt have that gear? defend whm all you want, fact of the matter is its a situational job, and not a burn job. so you can say all you want you can burn you have this and that. fact of the matter is you will never keep up with a whm. when your mp runs out, you are out. there is no comming back.

[Murphie]

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so you go and level with people you dont know? just to help a whitemage get to 75 that is in another linkshell that would be competitive with you? when you could xp with whms in your own linkshell and help them? thats rediculous, i will xp with anyone in my ls, i am talking about random people you invite.

There is no way anyone could have gotten that from your original statement on the subject. Say what you mean, then you don't have any reason to get angry when people think you mean something else.

[Necropolis]

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go level rdm i bet you never use whm unless absolutely necessary. rdms can do it all. whms can only heal. so what cures are a little less effective, you have to get all that gear just to TRY to keep up with a rdm. if you didnt have that gear? defend whm all you want, fact of the matter is its a situational job, and not a burn job. so you can say all you want you can burn you have this and that. fact of the matter is you will never keep up with a whm. when your mp runs out, you are out. there is no comming back.

I have 75 rdm, war and brd on my alt, I do not prefer rdm to whm. You are mistaken.

I'll give you that many whms waste mp, and are too trigger happy to spend mp, but if we are talking about 30k/hr parties, we're talking about players that know thier job. I've met a lot more rdms that can't keep up than I've met whms.

Why am I needing to carry more gear than a rdm to be effective? I have an enfeebling set, mnd set, mp set (some gear overlapping of course).

The more important question would be why must you try to prove rdm is better in burn? I know a whm can work in burn parties, as I do it all the time. Rdms to me seem more of a waste in meripo than anything else, much rather have another brd. You provide no buffs that a whm can't provide, you provided less effective cures, and enfeebling in rather pointless in burn parties for the most part.

You could argue dispell, but I can sub rdm and dispel just as well, though a brd usually covers that. Rdms can pull, but meh, bards are better. Also, a whm adds that security that in the event you die, you'll lose minimal exp due to R3.

I'm not saying rdm is 2nd to whm, it's you who is saying that rdm is king, when out of all the parties I've been in on war, brd, whm or blm, it is rarely with rdms. It seems that it is your job that is falling our of grace, and with the new cor updates a brd cor whm setup will be even sweeter.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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well i hate complaining and this page is just a bunch of complainers.

No one forced you to click on this thread.

Also, just because you spread your thoughts out over multiple posts doesn't mean your point is going to come across more clearly, or that you're going to sound more convincing.

Edit: Oh look, I can edit my own post.

Is complaining about complainers considered meta-complaining?

[BurningPanther]

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im a rdm and i never pt with whms cause i can do all the healing just fine by myself with no other mages in pt. and i do 30k xp an hour.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one.

[Necropolis]

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Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one.

Perhaps he missed a decimal between the 3 and 0

That, or he isn't counting brds as mages, though I do. Just mages without spells that require mp. I pull 30k/hr regularly in brd, brd, whm parties, but I consider that 3 support and 3 melee, not 1 mage.

[Aksannyi]

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/sigh

This is why I don't main heal as red mage. To show people that WHMs are still worth a damn when you have WHM + RDM in a party. Together, it is the most effective team in the game.

EDIT: Server downtime. Isn't that when the trolls start rolling in? I guess we were lucky enough to only get one ...

[Vapors]

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