What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Armando]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but Auto-Refresh would just be a drop in the bucket at this stage in the game.

[Taskmage]

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Auto Refresh was a tiny bonus for a red mage even at 75. These days with Refresh II and a plethora of refresh gear available, it'd be nigh imperceptible, to say nothing of Abyssea buffs. But the young knight is determined to make his own observations and there's little use in attempting to dissuade him other than to be sure he understands the nature of his path. These are the tradeoffs one makes for a staunch empiricism and a scathing skepticism towards dogma. There are worse ideologies to be impractically devout towards.

[cidbahamut]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but Auto-Refresh would just be a drop in the bucket at this stage in the game.

If it's only 1 extra mp per tick, yeah. I'm currently riding a solid 10mp/tick outside of Abyssea at the moment. (7 from Refresh II and 3 from gear)

Having spent time on both sides of the debate, I'm just tired of the RDM melee discussion at this point. YM, if meleeing is what lets you enjoy the game then you should pursue that. However it is an uphill battle. /DRK would actually be a solid sub in a party setting at level cap since it boosts your melee while simultaneously offering the sexiness that is Stun. The biggest hurdle will be finding people willing to help you reach your goals, but then that's always been the biggest hurdle for everything in this game.

[Neverslip]

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you're just trying to irritate YM with a statement like that, because you know with the kind of emphasis placed on gear to improve melee performance in this game, that simply cannot be true and is just the sort of flame baiting comments Official Forum nutjobs like to resort to just to get a rise out of people.

I'll admit that there may be a setup out there somewhere where this isn't true. That's about it. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. I'm only making a statement based on what I've seen. Call me a liar or an exaggerator... idc. It's what I've seen with the RDMs who I've played with. Have I parsed it? No... I didn't need to parse it. It was that obvious.

I'm tired of people bitching constantly about not being amazing at a facet of the game when the job they chose to play isn't supposed to be great at it at all. I notice this most often with RDMs because their job is the Jack of all Trades... Master of None. So many I see on forums want to be god's gift to gaming at everything... well, they excel at versatility. Which is pretty good. But it's unrealistic to think RDM will ever be better than a BLM at magic dmg, a WHM at healing, or any melee class at smacking, poking, or slashing.

It's like seeing all these people trying to split logs with a Swiss Army Knife... hand them an axe for crying out loud. Excelling at versatility is it's own prize. You want to split the log... get an axe.

Sorry the truth is insensitive.

Anyway, good luck with your gaming YM. I do hope you find happiness with FFxi. I'm not trying to be a dick for being a dick's sake. I'm only adding to a topic I see come up over and over and over again.

[Yellow Mage]

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TM hits the nail on the head. It's not like I'm unaware of the facts you tell me . . . but to backtrack now would be a complete and utter waste of time, so just let me have my fun while I can. v_v;

[Raydeus]

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I've always considered RDM melee (regardless of sub) on the same level as leveling BST. Both are tons of fun but only when you are going at it solo/duo.

Because once you try going partying with it, awkwardness ensues.

[Armando]

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Because once you try going partying with it, awkwardness ensues.

At least pre-Abyssea, I always saw the BST situation as a cultural thing than an actual technical limitation. The players created a vicious circle of BST attracting mainly solo players, which leads to players that probably aren't equipped for party situations, which leads to parties not inviting them, which leads to BSTs only soloing. And as a result, there's very few data points (parses) supporting BST in parties, and being a pet job means retards won't add your pet damage when comparing you to others.

[Yellow Mage]

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I'm tired of people bitching constantly about not being amazing at a facet of the game when the job they chose to play isn't supposed to be great at it at all. I notice this most often with RDMs because their job is the Jack of all Trades... Master of None. So many I see on forums want to be god's gift to gaming at everything... well, they excel at versatility. Which is pretty good. But it's unrealistic to think RDM will ever be better than a BLM at magic dmg, a WHM at healing, or any melee class at smacking, poking, or slashing.

See, the thing is, I don't even have any of these unrealistic expectations. I understand and accept that RDM melee, as is RDM everything-that's-not-Enfeebling, is and should be subpar.

My frustration came about when I realized that I wouldn't even meet the standards of "subpar" with my style of play. See, that's another thing that I wanted to prove myself to be: not just another one of those morons who give "RDM melee" an exceptionally bad name. Not any more, at least.

/sigh

I suppose that's so much for that, as far as the foreseeable future is concerned. But I guess it was always like this, as Mhurron so bluntly claimed.

And yes, Neverslip, I'm sick of seeing the topic come up over and over again, myself, but that's mostly for being sick of the idiots on both sides of that debate, to be honest. I believe you when you say there are exceptionally bad "melee RDMs," and that was one of my primary motivations to playing this game--to show that I'm not one of them.

[Taskmage]

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Thing is, given the cultural bias against rdm melee and the generally low output even when done well, you could be doing an excellent job of maximizing melee utility while maintaining your other duties and people would still look at you and see "one of those terribad melee rdms." See every melee discussion where BBQ talks like I'm one of the crazies just because of all the worst things that could happen, I don't think rdm melee is THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. THING!

[cidbahamut]

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[Armando]

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I would honestly suggest trying a new job. You might come to enjoy it as much as RDM, and it won't give you as many headaches. As much as I'm all PLD4Lyfe, I can say I would've dabbled in DRG, SAM, WAR, and BLU back when I played if leveling all of those jobs wouldn't have cost me countless hours and my life.

[Raydeus]

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There's also the fact that SE is very biased towards mage gear and traits for RDM. Which accounts for much of SE's trolling of the job.

We get 20 mage pieces for every melee piece of gear, we get 20 mage traits and only 1 melee-ish trait. And our enhancing spells don't scale as well as they should given our supposed enhancing/enfeebling capabilities. But you learn to adapt to it even if the bias is so blatantly obvious for a job that's supposed to be able to do both at a medium degree. /shrug

[Ketaru]

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I'll admit that there may be a setup out there somewhere where this isn't true. That's about it. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. I'm only making a statement based on what I've seen. Call me a liar or an exaggerator... idc. It's what I've seen with the RDMs who I've played with. Have I parsed it? No... I didn't need to parse it. It was that obvious.

I'm tired of people bitching constantly about not being amazing at a facet of the game when the job they chose to play isn't supposed to be great at it at all. I notice this most often with RDMs because their job is the Jack of all Trades... Master of None. So many I see on forums want to be god's gift to gaming at everything... well, they excel at versatility. Which is pretty good. But it's unrealistic to think RDM will ever be better than a BLM at magic dmg, a WHM at healing, or any melee class at smacking, poking, or slashing.

It's like seeing all these people trying to split logs with a Swiss Army Knife... hand them an axe for crying out loud. Excelling at versatility is it's own prize. You want to split the log... get an axe.

Sorry the truth is insensitive.

Anyway, good luck with your gaming YM. I do hope you find happiness with FFxi. I'm not trying to be a dick for being a dick's sake. I'm only adding to a topic I see come up over and over and over again.

Yes...RDMs on many other forums. Not on this one. I wouldn't use your description to describe a single person who posts here regularly. My experience tells me different that, with the gear and the effort, RDM can put in good numbers. It won't match up with a good MNK or WAR. But let's be honest here. For many of the jobs in the game, most seldom do. What I have a problem with is we're taking YM's attitude of not wanting to use /NIN and not wanting to get the brand new weaponskill that's actually good, and instead of trying to correct this way of thinking, we're just throwing our arms in the air and saying it's a waste of time anyway.

So why don't we give people here, as oppose to said other forums, the benefit of the doubt? Just because, from my experience, the job does a perfectly serviceable job of damage dealing, without completely losing the ability to do any of the other things it can do, doesn't mean people like me are confused about what the job can or cannot do. Ought I to just give up on nuking gear just because I'll never nuke as well as a BLM? Or not make an effort for healing potency just because I'll never be able to heal as well as a WHM?

We get 20 mage pieces for every melee piece of gear, we get 20 mage traits and only 1 melee-ish trait. And our enhancing spells don't scale as well as they should given our supposed enhancing/enfeebling capabilities. But you learn to adapt to it even if the bias is so blatantly obvious for a job that's supposed to be able to do both at a medium degree. /shrug

No. What we got was a lot of inappropriate gear. What we should be getting is gear that improves our DEX and Critical hit rate and updated Haste gear to TP in. Instead, what we got was a lot of gear that is +STR and -DEX or Ranged Accuracy gear. We did get quite a few melee oriented gears during Abyssea. They just don't work for us.

[Raydeus]

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No. What we got was a lot of inappropriate gear. What we should be getting is gear that improves our DEX and Critical hit rate and updated Haste gear to TP in. Instead, what we got was a lot of gear that is +STR and -DEX or Ranged Accuracy gear. We did get quite a few melee oriented gears during Abyssea. They just don't work for us.

I guess I missed that set you are talking about, because the ranged acc and +str -dex gear is the usual SE trolling they've been doing for years.

What kind of melee equipment did RDM get from Abyssea?



PS > I'm sad to report Scenario gear was probably some of the best melee gear I could get back when I was playing.

[Neverslip]

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Sorry for the long post but ... w/e ... there's been longer.

There's also the fact that SE is very biased towards mage gear and traits for RDM... We get 20 mage pieces for every melee piece of gear, we get 20 mage traits and only 1 melee-ish trait.

SE didn't name it Fighter mage, or Spell warrior. Every game I've ever played (dice or vidgame) has had specified bonuses available for the class chosen. Fighters take penalties for wanting to cast and casters take penalties for fighting. Can't have it both ways. Now, that said:

what we got was ... Ranged Accuracy gear

That's bullshit. At least when SAM got worthless AF3 hands it had historical background.

Yes...RDMs on many other forums. Not on this one.

Hmmm... any "job update thread" says 'hi'. I actually use this forum more than anything else. A majority of update threads always get spun into how RDM was screwed over this time. When the topic is regarding enfeebling/spellcasting I feel the discussion and outrage is valid. When the topic is melee I think it's a waste of breath. It used to be SMNs who wanted more avatars... they seem to have peter'd away and now it's the people who come off, to me at least, as wanting RDMs to be an unbalanced and game breaking(ly) powerful. If this site is tame by comparison, I'm really glad I don't frequent the others.

the job does a perfectly serviceable job of damage dealing, without completely losing the ability to do any of the other things it can do, doesn't mean people like me are confused about what the job can or cannot do.

I never said RDM didn't do other duties well on top of dealing damage. It's a great damage dealer when it comes to spellcasting and doing all the other duties it is capable of. RDM is a fantastic addition to any party/alliance, imo. Versatility really is a valuable trait. I don't understand why people aren't content with that.

That said, I stand by what I said about RDM's melee damage output. I thought the discussion was focused upon RDM's melee damage output excluding all the other amazing things the job does. Anyone who actually pays attention and has an open mind understands damage output isn't the end all be all criteria by which all jobs should be judged. My first job to 75 (and used for endgame) was DNC... I think I understand stigma. People who want RDM to be on-par (or better at times) regarding melee damage with jobs that aren't capable of spellcasting damage are being unrealistic.

Ought I to just give up on nuking gear just because I'll never nuke as well as a BLM? Or not make an effort for healing potency just because I'll never be able to heal as well as a WHM?

I don't believe I ever said to give up. However people need to understand their limitations. If I really enjoyed singing I wouldn't stop even if my singing was an absolute joke. At the same time, I wouldn't want someone encouraging me to go onto American Idol. I'd never tell someone to give up on something they enjoyed but I wouldn't withhold the truth their of limitations. Maybe I'm just more accepting of honest criticism and don't take it as a personal attack (which I get the feeling is happening) as many do. Honesty and criticism is a huge part of my life and what I want to do (acting). Wish more people were accepting of it.

And yeah, the rest of you are being kind of much more mean-spirited than that. I came to this thread to rant about the way I'm wanting to play being subpar even among the subpar, and all I get is scathing sarcasm and ridicule. Gee, thanks a lot, guys

Ah... best of the worst sort of thing. Gotcha.

I will apologize for this remark. I was feeling snarky for other reasons at this point and really shouldn't have posted that at all. There was no call for it.

Ask yourself this: Am I having fun meleeing as a RDM?

If the answer is yes then just stop comparing yourself to others already and start playing for yourself. If the answer is no then stop wasting time and level another job to cover the melee part of your gameplay.

This is the best advice in this whole rantastic mess, imHo. Take it. RDM is a great job. Just know it has limits like every other job in the game.