What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Murphie]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I was a Gluttony PLD as well. Of course, this was early '04, when that's just what we did. I don't really know what acceptable alternatives are now.

[Armando]

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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I have a problem with everyone who used a Gluttony back then or anything. Just that now it's obsolete. Sure, it's 7 VIT, but 7 VIT makes a very small difference in damage taken while a T.M. Espadon +2 has very good DMG/sec and Attack +12 on top of that. That's better for hate AND for ending the fight sooner.

Likewise for Lifebelt, that's a 5% improvement to your hit rate. That's a hell of a lot more than 3 VIT will do for you, no matter how you slice it. Slightly more than 5% more damage, more hate, more swings to apply +enmity to, and and more WS (because WS are both hate tools and damage dealers.) On the other hand 3 VIT at 48+, if it drops the mob's fSTR by one, is just a 1/~70, ~1/60 at best improvement, and that's before you factor in that reduction is partially lost after you take into account shield blocks and Flash.

Of course wearing a Lifebelt and using a stronger sword than Gluttony Sword doesn't make you a top tier DD or even close to one, but it's still a nice improvement over the alternatives.

By the way I'm also a proponent of sushi but I don't expect that every PLD out there has sushi and DD gear at this point. I'll give the population one more year before that becomes one of my pet peeves too >:D

[Rajsela]

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People who drop from parties whether they died or knew they are gonna die.

I'm in the dunes leveling brd, first party. Puller was a war and a taru, he pulls a gob and got two more adds. He dies, then HPed and left party. And in the new party, we have a whm with no sub, I get poisoned and he didnt do his job to poisona everyone, I didnt had posiona at the time. I used auto-translate to say i need it, he doesnt do it. So I kept healing myself then when i was in yellow i said poison}ed he finaly use it. Then we had a PL and a PL puller. I got killed from an gob, nobody did a thing, not even the whm who had mp! I got raised, got back up and rest. Someone voked a Star Bat and a lizard. D: I was resting and got hit by bat, people were dying from left to right and WHM dropped party. -.-

I hate the dunes

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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I really hate people who rant and rave against the employ of subjob they haven't even gotten out of the dunes or an inkling of how to us it. People who look at /WHM purely as a cure bucket are the ones that are especially annoying.

I have this guy that insists that if I go COR/WHM, I must give up all my ranged accuracy gear for MP because I'm comprimising the combination otherwise.

His WHM? Its level 18, yeah, he's a total expert on /WHMing merely from idle observation. I got two characters with /WHM and I'm still doing more mage subs (bleh).

Now, I'll admit a couple weeks back, I spazzed a little about the lack of MP options I had for COR, you can to see them on the COR and Ask SE Questions forums here. However, I hadn't considered my past BRD experiences and in most cases, BRD/WHM got by just fine on 300-350ish MP at 75. So why would I need more than that for my COR?

The honest truth is is, I don't. That much MP is more than enough to lighten the load for mages and the assistance is often appreciated.

Additionally, my BRD has macros dedicated to swapping Haste and MP gear in and out as I do songs and its really not different for COR. I'm constantly macroing earring, rings, leg and body armors in and out and back in again. You can't put MP gear in those slots and hope for it to be effective, it doesn't make sense to.

So I look to add MP in slots I don't macro, I balance the sacrifices and make a decision. I've found with merits and just a light smattering of RSE and Crimson I have the 300ish MP I need. I can /WHM it up with little sacrifice to my other COR duties.

Yet I got this guy saying COR/WHM is basically for when you're filling in for a WHM... um... WTF. Its for reducing downtime for the group. Its for supplying that Erase so a mage doesn't have to and can maintain focus on curing. My BST/WHM isn't a cure bucket, nor was DRG/WHM. You don't even cast cures as DRG/Mage. RNG/WHM isnt for curing, nor is MNK/WHM.

I had to learn about camping Shiki Weapon the other week for a friend. Detecting him comes down to RNG's wide scan and magic aggro, he's totally impossible to see otherwise beyond Wide Scan otherwise. I was able to find him, aggro him with barspell and claim with the aid of <stnpc> Shadowbind macro when it targeted me.

Worked like a charm. Much better for me than the MNKs tailing me to steal it with Chi Blast.

Some people just fail to realize subjobs have nuances when applied to other jobs. /RNG for COR is more about accuracy, gaining benefit from RNG latent gear and improving your DoT. For SAM, /RNG is just another means of grabbing more TP, adding yet another explosive Weapon Skill to the mix and taking advantage of that sweet Soboro.

/WHM for COR isn't any more subtle than its application for BRD, but I've found that COR makes a much more powerful duo partner than BRD does. Had a good time with a BLU in the Nyzul/Mire camp as COR/WHM, made almost 10k an hour on Imps. Good stuff. Thanks to the gear I've collected and making good prgress on my merits, I loose very little in the way of accuracy now. I even do well in Demis and Gods as /WHM and I'm still able to lend deeper support role without totally losing the damage I can do.

This is all why subjobs are such a brilliant part of the game, pity not everyone can grasp it. Now I gotta level BLU once as a sub and a main. I want the +20 MAB and other perks for my COR's QD effectiveness and support ability. I prefer that over BLM which would just give me +25 MAB and little else to use.

[Akashimo]

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I need over 125 merits to get to where I want to be, I'm not gonna pussy about - I will grab 3 DD from my ls, be they whatever (fairly normal is 2 wars and a mnk) a solid back line, and we are going to be going hell for leather to get xp fast. If we had a pre 70 set up, I'd agree with you, but we are not going to be taking a specific tank (unless a nin happens to come along), and we are not going to be taking SATA.

Maybe it is elitist, but with so many merits to get, I'm not going to take a mnk who isn't subbing nin.

And you complain about monks not subbing nin with that view? Honestly, I see more rdms that only care about easy merits than pulling out all the stops to do that job right and enjoy the party chat. I care less about the subs long as they 1) do dmg and 2) don't complain about others. Merit exp shouldn't be about all dds /nin and forget about SATA. SATA by thf or sam/thf is one of the best ways to keep hate on the tank, even in merit parties just to let other dd's go crazy in dmg. If all you care about is merits, then why even bother getting 75? Just why bother at all then? Espically with the negative attitude against SATA and not /nin for those parties when it still can be highly effective?

[Murphie]

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And you complain about monks not subbing nin with that view? Honestly, I see more rdms that only care about easy merits than pulling out all the stops to do that job right and enjoy the party chat. I care less about the subs long as they 1) do dmg and 2) don't complain about others. Merit exp shouldn't be about all dds /nin and forget about SATA. SATA by thf or sam/thf is one of the best ways to keep hate on the tank, even in merit parties just to let other dd's go crazy in dmg. If all you care about is merits, then why even bother getting 75? Just why bother at all then? Espically with the negative attitude against SATA and not /nin for those parties when it still can be highly effective?

Wut?

Who uses a set tank in meripo?

[Mhurron]

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And you complain about monks not subbing nin with that view? Honestly, I see more rdms that only care about easy merits than pulling out all the stops to do that job right and enjoy the party chat. I care less about the subs long as they 1) do dmg and 2) don't complain about others. Merit exp shouldn't be about all dds /nin and forget about SATA. SATA by thf or sam/thf is one of the best ways to keep hate on the tank, even in merit parties just to let other dd's go crazy in dmg. If all you care about is merits, then why even bother getting 75? Just why bother at all then? Espically with the negative attitude against SATA and not /nin for those parties when it still can be highly effective?

You're free to make your merit parties the way you want to, everyone else is free to do it the way they want to.

Merit parties work on speed, most setups do not have the mob alive long enough to make SATA worth while.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Who uses a set tank in meripo?

Not there yet myself, but there is always a "tank" of some sort in my sister's sky weapon meripo's.

As far as I can tell from watching while she plays, when the tank is PLD/WAR, the LS's SAM or MNK can use /WAR. Not so much the PLD can tank full time with the DD's spaming WS, but there's enough healing power so that they can afford to let one DD go with /WAR instead of /NIN.

When using NIN "tank", then just provide first Provoke and a Blade: Jin, and rely on DD/NIN to keep themselves from dying too fast when they WS.

She's rather strict about the backline jobs, though; WHM + RDM + BRD.

Actually, that kind of "tanking" reminds me of how her Dynamis LS's use "main tank"--not exactly tanking full time on most monsters, but long enough to keep the overall damage received down.

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Yes, yes--some of you will probably laugh at it for not being the most "exp/hr efficient" with 3+3 setup and using PLD/WAR tank at the out-of-style sky camp.

The funny thing is, everyone in the LS keeps asking to be invited back, sometimes reserving a slot more than a week in advance. *shrug* Something must be going right.

[Murphie]

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Hey, if you're having fun, and everyone is cool with the party setup, that's all that matters. But taking the time to setup for SATA just doesn't fit into the kind of meripo that I've personally done.

[Sevv]

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When you say the RDM "let him die", does that mean he intentionally held back on the cures to ensure his death? If so, your anecdote doesn't really prove anything about the effectiveness of one sub over the other.

Let him die as the massive damage was killing all his mp, and just got mad at trying to keep him alive, so let him take 2 hits w/o a cure.

If anything, it simply demonstrates the polarization of the player base between "optimal job combo only" camp and the "I refuse to be forced into a cookie cutter" camp. And really, neither mentality is healthy in an environment that's suppose to be about cooperation and compromise.

It just gets annoying when you tell a monk > {Party} {Bhlaful Thickets} {/Target} {Mamool Savages} {Sub} {Job} {Ninja} {Please}

they say ok and go /anon show up on /war or /sam

And you complain about monks not subbing nin with that view? Honestly, I see more rdms that only care about easy merits than pulling out all the stops to do that job right and enjoy the party chat. I care less about the subs long as they 1) do dmg and 2) don't complain about others. Merit exp shouldn't be about all dds /nin and forget about SATA. SATA by thf or sam/thf is one of the best ways to keep hate on the tank, even in merit parties just to let other dd's go crazy in dmg. If all you care about is merits, then why even bother getting 75? Just why bother at all then? Espically with the negative attitude against SATA and not /nin for those parties when it still can be highly effective?

I rarely ever merit in "normal" set ups, even so sata or no sata war hate > pld or nin hate. So I tend to just burn I stay alive longer and get better exp, when I build a standard party, I don't make ppl do /nin, but if i'm going for exp/hr there is plenty of people to jump in X spot. (just to respond)

[ItazuraNhomango]

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It just gets annoying when you tell a monk > {Party} {Bhlaful Thickets} {/Target} {Mamool Savages} {Sub} {Job} {Ninja} {Please}

{Support Job} is in the auto-translator, FYI.

[Sevv]

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{Support Job} is in the auto-translator, FYI.

Yes I know I still like Sub Job tho =/

Every time I see support job I think bard or cor =x

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Yes I know I still like Sub Job tho =/

Every time I see support job I think bard or cor =x

Unfortunately, {Sub} is actually something like "support weapon" in Japanese, meaning a shield or secondary weapon for Dual Wield.

{Support Job} is what you want to use. COR, RDM, and BRD fall under {Support Role Job} (i.e. "mid line") instead.

[Kirsteena]

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It is obvious that your server works differently from mine. Honestly, on Bahamut, the majority of fast meripo (noone likes hitting stuff mindlessly, we do as much as we can in 2 hours and leave it at that for the day) just takes 3 DD, 3 backline.

I've never said that I don't like a proper set up with a designated tank, and SATA, but at the end of the day, I'm in one of the top end HNMLS on my server, frankly, a tank isn't going to hold hate for very long with 2 ridill wars and a blackbelt monk hasted to the hilt, nor is a mob going to be alive long enough to set up for SATA. And in fact, I haven't been on rdm in a meripo for a very long time, I'm mainly on whm, attempting to get to 75 (level and a half to go!). The reason we stick to ls parties - because we work together well, and we can talk trash on vent at the same time. Yes, it sometimes goes wrong, and we can wipe, but we laugh and lets face it, it is only a bit of xp to get back.

IfritnoItazura, 3+3 is honestly the most effective set up imo. It is the best balance. And hey, wherever works for you. We go to Nyzul Isle Mamool Ja as our main merit area, but before that we used to spend a lot of time in Ulu Range - better than fighting for mobs in thickets or mire!

[Sevv]

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It is obvious that your server works differently from mine. Honestly, on Bahamut, the majority of fast meripo (noone likes hitting stuff mindlessly, we do as much as we can in 2 hours and leave it at that for the day) just takes 3 DD, 3 backline.

Same here but since I removed my self from endgame I tend to merit for hours on end while playing wii, I enjoy a 4 DD 2 Mage tho unless I can snag an extra bard.