What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Legal Fish]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

People who like to bash on "ELITISTS" and then at the same time bash on Stupid people(perhaps in a rant about Valkurm Dunes or something). You realize it's like spectrum right? Those fiendish elitists see you in the same manner you see those "Stupid People".

Quite hypocritical!

[Murphie]

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I dont know if anyone posted this yet because i didnt bother to read 57 pages. =o.
WTF is this new trend of MNK/NIN. Why? cuz you dont wanna take a hit? gonna be a big baby about it? counterstance, use it. period. Grow a pair and merit it. your gonna give up double attack cuz you dont wanna get hit. ppl who play 75 mnk/nin in a merit pt should be slapped. make the mages work for their merits too, already make their job easy. =P

Depending on the party setup, you can go to hell and find another party if you're not going to sub NIN. Even as a Taru, I don't have the time, patience or MP to keep your dumb ass alive when you insist on slowing the meripo down for the sake of your own damage.

Of course, if we have a WHM, have at it I guess. It's no longer my problem.

[Alshandra]

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My pet peeve is....
MysticMaker.
0/7 on him now, I camped him from ~2AM for 7 pops straight. I got every possible drop he can drop, except for the earring.

i hear you...

although i'm 0/3 on it, im now 57BLM and meekly hiding the lack of my earring with my Shaman's Cloak mmm...

i was camping it before work this morning with my friend, but I had to go, so he let me leave my character there just in case he got the drop, what a nice person

i feel like im cheating a bit here, but hey, its a dog eat dog world...

[Aksannyi]

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I dont know if anyone posted this yet because i didnt bother to read 57 pages. =o.
WTF is this new trend of MNK/NIN. Why? cuz you dont wanna take a hit? gonna be a big baby about it? counterstance, use it. period. Grow a pair and merit it. your gonna give up double attack cuz you dont wanna get hit. ppl who play 75 mnk/nin in a merit pt should be slapped. make the mages work for their merits too, already make their job easy. =P

Funny, I just re-read this entire thread. Some good points, and quite a few laughs. This thread is epic. It should be a sticky.

[hongman]

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People who insist on useing stupid stupid WS's like Sidewider for 800 in a skillup PT. Every mob.

WHY?? WHY?? WHY??

[Kirsteena]

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I dont know if anyone posted this yet because i didnt bother to read 57 pages. =o.
WTF is this new trend of MNK/NIN. Why? cuz you dont wanna take a hit? gonna be a big baby about it? counterstance, use it. period. Grow a pair and merit it. your gonna give up double attack cuz you dont wanna get hit. ppl who play 75 mnk/nin in a merit pt should be slapped. make the mages work for their merits too, already make their job easy. =P

If I have one of my ls mnk in a meripo, with blackbelt, full god gear etc., a ton of merits, he had better bloody well be subbing nin, or else only fight from the second half of the mob onwards. This is speaking as a rdm AND as a whm.

This is not a new trend - mnks who want to live in non KRT situations sub nin - has been like that for the last 3 years.

[Sevv]

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I dont know if anyone posted this yet because i didnt bother to read 57 pages. =o.
WTF is this new trend of MNK/NIN. Why? cuz you dont wanna take a hit? gonna be a big baby about it? counterstance, use it. period. Grow a pair and merit it. your gonna give up double attack cuz you dont wanna get hit. ppl who play 75 mnk/nin in a merit pt should be slapped. make the mages work for their merits too, already make their job easy. =P

I let one of these i don't sub nin monks into our meripo yesterday morning, our jp taru rdm got mad that he wouldn't sub nin and let him die three times until he left, got a mnk/nin and pulled 25k/hr, Pt effectivness > a little more damage from you. Leave the epeen at home.

[Akashimo]

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>_>; I'd rather main heal on RDM in mire with no other mages than sub ninja or thf on my monk in an endgame exp party /fume. A good party wouldn't need to worry about sub job of a dd if they do dmg and a tank knows how to keep hate. Theres lazy and theres being effective. Lazy is subbing nin and having nin tanks. Effective is going all out in dmg with a hate control setup such as SAM/THF or THF SATA the tank and tank uses the tools open to him/her.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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I let one of these i don't sub nin monks into our meripo yesterday morning, our jp taru rdm got mad that he wouldn't sub nin and let him die three times until he left, got a mnk/nin and pulled 25k/hr, Pt effectivness > a little more damage from you. Leave the epeen at home.

When you say the RDM "let him die", does that mean he intentionally held back on the cures to ensure his death? If so, your anecdote doesn't really prove anything about the effectiveness of one sub over the other.

If anything, it simply demonstrates the polarization of the player base between "optimal job combo only" camp and the "I refuse to be forced into a cookie cutter" camp. And really, neither mentality is healthy in an environment that's suppose to be about cooperation and compromise.

[Kirsteena]

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>_>; I'd rather main heal on RDM in mire with no other mages than sub ninja or thf on my monk in an endgame exp party /fume. A good party wouldn't need to worry about sub job of a dd if they do dmg and a tank knows how to keep hate. Theres lazy and theres being effective. Lazy is subbing nin and having nin tanks. Effective is going all out in dmg with a hate control setup such as SAM/THF or THF SATA the tank and tank uses the tools open to him/her.

I need over 125 merits to get to where I want to be, I'm not gonna pussy about - I will grab 3 DD from my ls, be they whatever (fairly normal is 2 wars and a mnk) a solid back line, and we are going to be going hell for leather to get xp fast. If we had a pre 70 set up, I'd agree with you, but we are not going to be taking a specific tank (unless a nin happens to come along), and we are not going to be taking SATA.

Maybe it is elitist, but with so many merits to get, I'm not going to take a mnk who isn't subbing nin.

[Kailea]

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wow, glad I stopped leveling MNK at 42, I would not want to level MNK, just to have to sub NIN and waist my gil at 70-75... thats stupid -.-

[Cali]

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Ah, a thread for venting.... Exactly what I need... I haven't been reading the whole 57 pages, but it said "yours" not "What do you think everyone's pet peeve in FFXI is?", so I guess I could state mine even if they repeat.

1. People who think tossing how many high level at you mean anything: Level a lowbie job while you have several 75's, Mr E-thug comes in, talk a load of crap, and when you correct him infront of party, he goes on to say "I am a lv50-75 <job>" -yes, this sympton seems to begin at the early level at lv50-...
Since when does this game need a major in rocket science to understand? Any idiot should understand this game basic by the time they hit lv60(being generous and this is the latest that noob should exist), and there are more people with 10x 75s than there are people with 0x lv50, what is there for the little e-thug to brag about of his lvl? Beside, what has a lv75 BRD has anything to do with that person's err.. non-BRD-jobs experience? I have a BLM75 before I leveled my RNG, and I had no idea how to play a RNG nicely if my friends didn't help me. Why is that? Because, BLM and RNG are different jobs! Miracle, is it not?

2. People who think only of themselves and nothing of the party overall performance, the people that don't understand lowering a job's damage output can sometimes get the party better result, EXP or endgame. Common excuses include:
-"Tank should be able to hold hate" after a 1.2k damage nuke at start of fight... yeah they should be able to hold hate, the same way sGM should come and give me gil.
-"Mages should manage MP better" when the party been fighting nonstop with no /heal time for mages, and the monster is constantly hitting the members... Of course it's the mage's fault, because Convert is a base ability for all jobs, and it has a short recast of 5 seconds and no hate at all.
-"Voke voke voke vkeo koev eeveadokok <insert insult for the whole party after he dies>", if only he had used what little is left in his skull... But I guess its hard to think with the fluid inside your head.

3. People who say xxx job is crap and yyy job is godly basing on others' opinion... Grow up and learn to speak for yourself, through your own experience. As a matter of fact, I like PUP and DRG(I don't play them, but I like partying with them), sue me.

4. People who think "if it works at lv75, it works from lv1":
-Anyone who /NIN before 24(even 24 is pretty early for /NIN...), what you sub it for? Stealth and naruto?
-Anyone who think TP burn work at Dunes lvl, and that we should be getting 25k/h... Yeah.
-Anyone who believes RDM can magically maintain MP w/o convert nor refresh in party.

5. People who still use the "3 lvls rules", 3 lvls up from leader, 3 lvls down from leader = 50-56 party, no it won't work. And try to read EXP comment while you are there, some people put useful information such as tnl and static members.

6. A BRD telling me he has a Kraken Club will NOT get a party invite, but he can join the rest of the idiots in my blist.

Should I list them all?

[Armando]

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PLDs with Gluttony Swords.

WARs using Axe pre-48 (anything that isn't a Great Axe before then is gimp by comparison. And even then I'd continue to argue Great Axe is superior 'til at least 55.)

The resist rate on Skillchains.

WAR/NINs who don't try hard enough to take hate (you have shadows, use them.)

Oh, oh, missed one. PLDs using Warrior's Belt +1/R.K. Belt/Whatever over Lifebelt.

EDIT: WARs with Great Axes that won't use Shield Break ><

[ItazuraNhomango]

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PLDs with Gluttony Swords.

*scratches head* It's not that bad, depending on level. Slow swings, but decent base damage. Yes, yes, "VIT does nothing" in your book, but I used it until Lv.60, and it didn't seem to hinder me.

Oh, oh, missed one. PLDs using Warrior's Belt +1/R.K. Belt/Whatever over Lifebelt.

Not sure if Life Belt owns all.

I was using Scorpion Harness, Life Belt, and Shallops Tropicale in previous session on my PLD's static party, and was hitting 49.8% accuracy in Aydeewa Subterrane. This past Sunday, I borrowed a Haubergeon, used Jungle Belt and Dorado Sushi instead, and got to 75.0% accuracy at the same location on the same monsters (Aydeewa Diremite and Defoliator).

Sushi >> Life Belt, if you're desperate for accuracy.

Defense wise, I was definitely getting hit more often (41.9% avoidance previously, vs. 30.8%; Haubergeon's Evasion-20% is very noticeable on parser, BTW, when one is used to SH.), and was hit noticeably harder--the critical hits were especially prominent.

Surprisingly, the much higher accuracy didn't result in significant upgrade in my damage output; 9.6% of total output before vs. 10.6% on Sunday. (Well, I was using more attack/STR/Acc accessories with defense food, but more defense/VIT gear with Dorado sushi, though Hauby has atk+10) It's also possible the SAM's have increased their outputs so my own accuracy upgrade didn't do much.

Life Belt's Accuracy+10 would've added 5% to the hit rate, which is 1/20th more damage output over time, if ignoring the STR+3 from Jungle Belt (and whatever VIT+2 would or wouldn't do for damage mitigation).

If you want accuracy, sushi owns all. Life Belt is nice, but at less than 1/20th improvement to damage output, it won't exactly add much for someone hovering around 10% of total damage contribution. (And, even sushi can't instantly make a PLD63 a respectable DD compared with SAM's each taking down 40-43% of mobs' HP bars.)

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The biggest influence on how much a PLD directly contributes to killing monsters is how bad the DD's in parties are. The stronger the DD, the less useful--the less noticeable--the PLD's damage output.

My static party has two terrific Samurai's. Thus, the best thing my Paladin can do for my party's damage output is to keep them from using Seigan, so they can keep up Hasso full time as they spam WS.

[Raydeus]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

PLDs with Gluttony Swords.

Not only was I a Gluttony PLD, but I also loved every minute of it.

It was in another time before Aht Urgan though, so I dunno if I would've used it as much in Aht Urgan camps...


Bah, who am I kidding, I would've used it all the way to 75 if I could.