What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Elwynn]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

The newest stupid trick that I've seen in campaign is to voke-kite the mobs right into the allied NPCs. Even if a scrum formed around one halfway there, nope, got to voke those too so our nation can pwn and open up the BCNM for ME to get leet geers, ME ME ME.

As if it wasn't hard enough to get XP as it is right now (I was in a battle tonight with 100 in Beaudcedine Glacier S!), now people are just giving it to the NPCs? At least if you were to drag the mobs into the healing weakened, they'd get a little XP for taking damage.

[Ketaru]

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As if it wasn't hard enough to get XP as it is right now (I was in a battle tonight with 100 in Beaudcedine Glacier S!), now people are just giving it to the NPCs? At least if you were to drag the mobs into the healing weakened, they'd get a little XP for taking damage.

Alas, I had somebody run mobs into me earlier and he died with 2 yagudo on him while I was fighting one. I am dismayed when somebody clearly has a deer-in-headlights reaction to getting a link. It was a 75 BLM who probably could've casted Sleep on them, but he instead started trying to cast Stoneskin.

...Luckily, Bubble Shower found an unexpected use. CourierCarrie AoE "claimed" them and I had a Shepherd's Drink so it was kind of like having 1.75 HP bars. So yeah, it died and I died. But I still managed to get 1500ish EXP for essentially doing 3 weaponskills and letting pet tank until we both died.

But I wish people would use a little more sense in those kind of situations. Personally, I always try to die somewhere out of the way, but still in sight.

[Aksannyi]

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I wish people would use a little more sense

Has been the argument about people in this game for years.

[Takelli]

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The newest stupid trick that I've seen in campaign is to voke-kite the mobs right into the allied NPCs. Even if a scrum formed around one halfway there, nope, got to voke those too so our nation can pwn and open up the BCNM for ME to get leet geers, ME ME ME.

As if it wasn't hard enough to get XP as it is right now (I was in a battle tonight with 100 in Beaudcedine Glacier S!), now people are just giving it to the NPCs? At least if you were to drag the mobs into the healing weakened, they'd get a little XP for taking damage.

I never seen that before. I've done it accidentally before when I've tanked on sam in campain. I pull the mob out of the group, and run a bit off to the side, and every so often theres a group of NPCs waiting where I wan running to, or they run past me as I start killing.

What really pisses me off is when Plds take the mob way off to the side of the fort, and start soloing the mob, dragging out the fight. Then, when people start heading there and alerting others of where it is, the Pld starts to shout at the people then proceed to disconnect.

People suck...

[Aksannyi]

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Campaign was like where the utmost selfishness comes into play in that game anyway. Think about it, you only really get good xp if you do damage, so cures? Uh, no, don't think so, sorry, gonna keep whacking away at this mob with my pointy Prudence Rod, kthxbai. People run off and solo why? Because it nets them the best xp. People do things like drag the mobs to the NPCs why? So the zone stays won and they can do the gear BCs. There's very little group mentality in campaign, and while it does (usually) ultimately lead to a win, it's very frustrating if you're trying to get a lot of xp.

I couldn't be bothered with it. When I was going to school, CK would use my character as his cure bitch on his 360, let me whack away at mobs he'd targeted, and that kept me my rank. Campaign was like the epitome of everything that pissed me off about XI.

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And holy shit, realized while typing this, I really need to cut my fucking fingernails.

[Ketaru]

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Campaign was like where the utmost selfishness comes into play in that game anyway.

I'd say you have a hard time arguing that is any different anywhere else in the game. Only it manifests itself in different ways elsewhere. I've never heard of EXP parties inviting somebody just because they've been seeking for hours or playing an unpopular job.

[Aksannyi]

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There were plenty of other places where teamwork seemed more prominent. Some endgame (not all), Besieged even. While I'd certainly say that a lot of the game is full of "mememememememe" attitudes (ohi cookie cutter merit party setups), I just felt like Campaign was the absolute center of "THIS BENEFITS ME and FUCK EVERYONE ELSE" mentality. Which is exactly why I avoided it like the plague.

[Ketaru]

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Well, anyway, like I always say, my experience has always been that people in general are considerate in Campaign. When I'm low on health, I do generally notice people curing me (even if I could do it myself if I'm on RDM). When I'm dead, somebody usually does take time out to raise me. People do drag mobs off to solo. I can see them on Widescan if I'm on BST and it's usually only 1 person, which I'm not going to generalize across to the other 9 people that are in that Campaign battle.

The soloers, Kraken club users, non-raising/curing healers, etc, are just much more annoying than the above are nice.

The thing I'm really concerned about in the game is that the pendulum may have swung too far in the other direction. Most people predicted that Campaign battle was a feature that would die out from lack of interest. But SE kept updating in ways to make it more appealing and now people complain about not being able to join parties because nobody seems to want to form them (though a lot of new small group content like the increasingly appealing FoV and MMM have also contributed to this). Not to mention the merit pt mentality of "I'd rather have no EXP than slow EXP". But as I'm fond of telling people, CORs and BRDs don't grow on trees. If you're unwilling to party without one, you have no right to complain about lack of parties.

When there is really little you can do to make partying appealing aside from making EXP even easier to obtain (but really, when the best are pushing 25K/hour, how can you really make it any better than that?), how are you going to make it a fresh, new experience? Hopefully, raising the level cap will do that.

[Elwynn]

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For what it's worth, this was clearly not being done by accident. The mobs were kited up two at a time to the same spot, right in front of a bunch of melee NPCs, at least three pairs of them. And given that this was during JP prime, I wouldn't be surprised if some JPs were doing this, where "me-me-me" can easily become the group selfishness of "we-we-we", where "we" is only the people they care about. (aka the JP ONRY attitude)

Really, I think the biggest problem with campaign is that the supply of mobs (and NPCs) can't dynamically adjust to the available number of players.

When I'm low on health, I do generally notice people curing me (even if I could do it myself if I'm on RDM). When I'm dead, somebody usually does take time out to raise me.

Those are the people who realize that you get XP for cures and raises... and also that the NPCs can be filthy cure stealers sometimes.

[Ketaru]

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Ugh, I just saw a PLD in Beaucedine Glacier [S]. He ran up to the entire wave of orc mobs and used Uriel Blade on them. Then he proceeded to tank the entire wave all on his own, including Conquerer Bakgodek or whatever. And he spammed Uriel Blade so all of the mobs pretty much stayed on him. It was humbling...

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Don't see the "me-me-me" attitude for getting exp as all that much better--why are those people's exp so much more important than getting some more of those nice items circulating in the economy? More of those items means lower the price, which means more people can afford them. There's more than one place to get exp, but only one method to get those items into the economy.

If anything, unlocking the stronghold Campaign Ops benefits more people other than just those doing the work--I know I made a bundle of gil thanks to them. (Hopefully, one day I'll have enough gil to buy the Cuchulain's Mantle instead of selling it. lol.)

[Mezlo]

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D Shantotto. I hate that bitch.

Tonight is my statics 5th time fighting the fight i think? We are helping friends, so we had 8 people that needed the fight. We won it on our 2nd battle, but I wasn't in the group.......... So we are still trying to get the win for me and one other.

[Zoltar]

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D Shantotto. I hate that bitch.

Tonight is my statics 5th time fighting the fight i think? We are helping friends, so we had 8 people that needed the fight. We won it on our 2nd battle, but I wasn't in the group.......... So we are still trying to get the win for me and one other.

What's your setup? Something along the lines of 4xSMN, Healer and tank is all you need. I've seen PLDs, DNCs, RDMs etc hold one while SMNs destroy the other. After that, rinse and repeat on the shantotto that is left.

[Mezlo]

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What's your setup? Something along the lines of 4xSMN, Healer and tank is all you need. I've seen PLDs, DNCs, RDMs etc hold one while SMNs destroy the other. After that, rinse and repeat on the shantotto that is left.

we only have 1 smn in our static so we go:

SAM/WAR X 3
BLU/NIN
WHM/BLM X 2

the blue goes in and tanks shan. we pull d shan. back to start. we take her down to like 50% and she rages, we all survive, get cured, we get her down to .001% and she rages the 2nd time and we wipe. It's almost like we kill her to fast. she won't die until she rages a 2nd time. so she stays with just a bit of hp, and we always wipe before killing her with a fraction of hp left. sucks.

[Zoltar]

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God damn Nyzul Isle! Argh did floors 11-15 no problem, then the boss floors 16-20 just teased the shit outta us. We kill behemoth and get a 10 second warning (but there was nobody at the lamp!) /rage

2nd time we run outta time at 5% w/ Behemoth...WTF