What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Tickmeoff]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

If it's in the game then it was intended to be used.

If it works and is effective, you use it.


Seriously, not gear swapping in FFXI because you think it's cheating is like not grabbing in a fighting game because you think it's cheap. If you're doing this you are playing by rules you made up in your head instead of the rules of the game.

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

not gear swapping in FFXI because you think it's cheating

didn't say it was cheating... said maybe it wasn't intended to be used AS MUCH as people use it, if they need third party tools to do it.

[Mhurron]

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You don't need 3rd party tools to gear swap either.

[Andromache]

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so it goes back to WHY do people feel the NEED to use third party tools? IF you can do it in game... and effectively?

I mention gear swapping as that was one reason given for the use of third party tools. If it can be done effectively in game... WHY the need for tools?

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

It can't be done effectively in game by the time you reach 75. That's the entire problem. Some people deal with it. Others resort to Windower. But there's no denying that the in-game mechanisms are no longer adequate for the amount of gear swapping that's become inherently necessary due to the large amount of situational gear that's been introduced since the game began.

[Andromache]

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Then maybe it shouldn't be done... you guys just keep bringing it back to my point. EDIT: Please note i say EXCESSIVE: Excessive gear changing isn't NEEDED... and if it was NEEDED, then it would have been allowed in game to be effective.

Third party tools are not needed for anything. If you need third party tools to play the game effectively then there is something wrong with your gameplay.

Personally, IMO, I play quite well without them.

[Mhurron]

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Need - Of necessity; necessarily; indispensably; often with must, and equivalent to "of need"
Want - desire: feel or have a desire for; want strongly

There is a difference.

Some people WANT to use the easier way to do something that the game allows and is NEEDED.

You bitched about gear swaps, and like it or not they are needed for top performance. You then found that some people wanted to use tools to make it easier. You then turned your bitching to attempt to equate breaking the TOS with gear swapping.

Honestly, drop it or pick one thing to bitch about. You are wrong about not sucking it up and dealing with gear swapping. If you want to continue on about TOS violations then drop your constant complaints about gear swapping.

[Armando]

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Then maybe it shouldn't be done... you guys just keep bringing it back to my point. EDIT: Please note i say EXCESSIVE: Excessive gear changing isn't NEEDED... and if it was NEEDED, then it would have been allowed in game to be effective.

This is not a valid argument. It took Square Enix several years before Mog Satchel was introduced. Players had been bitching and moaning about insufficient space for all their gear since forever. For all you know SE may actually do something about it. 3 years later.

It also took a long time (ToAU basically) for PLD to get buffed so it could compete with NIN. And how long did it take RDM to get an update? SE is always slow to add things. That they haven't done anything about it yet doesn't imply in any way, shape, or form, that they won't in the future, or that it's not necessary that they do so.

[Andromache]

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You then turned your bitching to attempt to equate breaking the TOS with gear swapping.

Honestly, drop it or pick one thing to bitch about. You are wrong about not sucking it up and dealing with gear swapping. If you want to continue on about TOS violations then drop your constant complaints about gear swapping.

First of all

Suck it up if I want to bitch about both things, I will.

Second:

I merely used the first peeve to illustrate how not needed the second one is. I don't appreciate when people who are using such cheating devices are telling me that they NEED to do this in order to have top performance... obviously if you are cheating to get to that performance, it's wrong.

I admit that sometimes gear swapping is effective but you don't have to swap your entire gear set to the frustrations of others. If you have to use third party tools to do so, then I have to say that is wrong on a variety of levels... not only does it go against the TOS but maybe it's not necessarily intended in the first place. If SE decides to change it, then fine, that would be the time that it is needed, but until then, I will firmly believe that the use of tools is unneccesary and wrong.

Same with spell casting... if you can't do it without a tool, then you aren't doing it right.

Those are my peeves, if you don't like it, don't read them and respond.

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I merely used the first peeve to illustrate how not needed the second one is. I don't appreciate when people who are using such cheating devices are telling me that they NEED to do this in order to have top performance... obviously if you are cheating to get to that performance, it's wrong.

Using 3rd party tools isn't necessary (but convenient.) Gear swapping, however you do achieve it, is NEEDED. There's no two ways about that one. Players strive for maximum efficiency and maximum efficiency can only be achieved by changing equipment around, because there aren't equipment sets that'll give good enough performance in all areas. Gear in this game has become too specialized.

Same with spell casting... if you can't do it without a tool, then you aren't doing it right.

You keep setting up these straw man arguments which is why you have people getting on your case. Anyone can cast without a third party tool. In fact anyone can change equipment without third party tools. It's just very inconvenient and aggravating.

It's ironic that you can't tell the difference, since apparently using <stpt> macros is inconvenient and aggravating for you. You don't need to type spells or pick them from the menu. You could switch to <stpt> macros. But it's inconvenient and aggravating for you. Your argument is the same thing as me saying "Well if you can't cast spells without using macros you're doing it wrong."

[Ketaru]

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EXCESSIVE: Excessive gear changing isn't NEEDED... and if it was NEEDED, then it would have been allowed in game to be effective.

That's really unbecoming of a mage to say, especially a BLM. Well, maybe if all you do is nuke and just switch staves, instead of also having sets of enfeebling to make up for the huge deficit in skill you have to, say a RDM or SCH, that's perfectly fine.

not only does it go against the TOS but maybe it's not necessarily intended in the first place. If SE decides to change it, then fine, that would be the time that it is needed, but until then, I will firmly believe that the use of tools is unneccesary and wrong.

That SE continually adds more and more gobbie bags, as well as larger moghouses, and ways to store gear, is proof enough that they realize gear swaps are an area in need of addressing. They pulled a huge one out of the bag of tricks when they made macros multiple books. Don't know who was or wasn't here before then, but back then, there were 10 pages to work with and little more.

These changes have not addressed the user-unfriendliness of actually putting these changes into practice. Gear swaps allow for 5 or 6 equipment changes (can't cite the exact number). There are a total of 16 gear slots. Sure, in merit parties, all you really need is MP, but merit parties are hardly representative of the rest of the game.

Oh...and the whole blinking thing...

Those are my peeves, if you don't like it, don't read them and respond.

This is a public forum, at least as public as mods allow it to be. People have their right to respond if they don't want your word to be the only one heard.

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

That's really unbecoming of a mage to say, especially a BLM.

I said to the frustrations of others... I don't gear swap so when I'm being attacked so no one can cure me....

[Armando]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

The "frustration of others" is a direct result of their reluctance to use <stpt> macros. There are ways around blinking. If people don't want to use them...tough. A compromise can be reached, but saying "don't blink" is 100% one-sided.

People using <stpt> macros so that blinking isn't an issue, and players not blinking trivial things at critical times (e.g. when dying) just in case, is a compromise.

[Ketaru]

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I said to the frustrations of others... I don't gear swap so when I'm being attacked so no one can cure me....

That's a terrible retort. You don't gear swap when you're being attacked because, especially as a BLM, you shouldn't be casting anything if you have hate in the first place.

[Mog]

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Hold the phone... If I use windower to change gear, I'm playing my job wrong? With the amount of gear I have for blm and the gear sets, I'd have to go through 3 macros to cast a single spell. :x Doesn't make you any less of a player.

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New pet peeve. Ninja lotters. BLM belt dropped in Buburimu and someone ninja lotted at last 5 seconds. Thankfully, he lost lot. I was very discrete and told the leader to d2 him or lose something in the future. The player was even dumb enough to stay in party. He got d2'ed and now his reputation is tarnished on Seraph. Win win