What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Mhurron]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Ok. Now I'm a bit mad. Because all of you who said that I was wrong for not dealing with the blinking... and you are all f-ing cheaters....

You are wrong. I don't use 3rd party tools.

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

guess the biggest difference is that they aren't ruining anything for anybody.

Wrong. There is a reason you aren't supposed to use Third party tools. I hate when people think its bad for RMT to do stuff like that but it's ok for Regular Players to do it. It's just like all the griping about the LM-17... follow the frickin rules like everyone else

[Murphie]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Wrong. There is a reason you aren't supposed to use Third party tools. I hate when people think its bad for RMT to do stuff like that but it's ok for Regular Players to do it. It's just like all the griping about the LM-17... follow the frickin rules like everyone else

How am I wrong?

What is the reason?

If you're going to make definitive statements like these, then at least back them up.

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

You are wrong. I don't use 3rd party tools.

I was talking specifically to the people who admitted that they use 3rd party programs to spell cast, those lazy people, some of whom were the ones who said I was wrong for being angry with gear swaps. Those kind of people cannnot compare their experience with mine because they are cheaters.

[Murphie]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I don't use 3rd party tools (play on 360) and I said you were wrong for being angry with gear swaps.

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

How am I wrong?

What is the reason?

If you're going to make definitive statements like these, then at least back them up.

Do you read playonline.com? They state regularily (and I would have put it into quotes if there wasn't an internet filter at work...) that third party tools (hmmm.. the flee tool, that falls under this same category) wreck the environment, in ways that people don't always see, such as 1. Introducing virus's to the community, and 2. Skewing fair play, and I can't remember the other ones as of yet.


I shouldn't need to back up the fucking TOS. Read it yourself.

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I don't use 3rd party tools (play on 360) and I said you were wrong for being angry with gear swaps.

Then you were in the minority of people who told me I was wrong (which I can accept even though it was a rant) that don't.

I am sorry but this is an even bigger pet peeve of mine and it makes me very angry, even more then stupid gear swapping is when people think that they are above the rules and then complain when others bend the rules (RMT, botters)....

[Mhurron]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I was talking specifically to the people who admitted that they use 3rd party programs to spell cast, those lazy people, some of whom were the ones who said I was wrong for being angry with gear swaps. Those kind of people cannnot compare their experience with mine because they are cheaters.

What other people use or don't use doesn't change the fact that you are wrong for not sucking it up and dealing with gear swaps.

that third party tools (hmmm.. the flee tool, that falls under this same category) wreck the environment, in ways that people don't always see, such as 1. Introducing virus's to the community,

You might want to quit while you're ahead and shut up about things you obviously don't understand.

[Andromache]

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You might want to quit while you're ahead and shut up about things you obviously don't understand.

Excuse me? Is it not stated that you aren't supposed to use 3rd party tools? Is that not a bannable offense???

Then how am I wrong for saying that these people are cheaters for using them?????

[Firewind]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

There is a bit of the difference between a UI Mod like windower (which won't touch anything other than the UI any part of the actual game), .DAT swaps (which is clientside only) and persers (which do nothing more than log the info that the server sends to your computer and doesn't even touch any part of FFXI).

Yes of course! Those things that don't have a reason to touch the game itself must be identical to fish bots, movement hacks, claim bots, keyloggers, DAT hacks and whatever the heck the RMTs are using this month

Personally I just use windower because the official windowed mode is unplayable on Vista. Every time I boot up the game I get nothing but a blank screen when FFXI starts up followed by it repeatedly trying to open up the FFXI window then crashing. It also stops firewall popups from forcing you out of FFXI by taking it out of fullscreen.

Although I do admit that the plastic surgeon plugin is fun for swapping race/face DATs on the fly. I like to fish as a Mithra for no other reason than it looks cool. Actually loading that plugin prevents you from using RSE though and it stops you from finishing quests that require you to be a specific race for something to happen so it technically puts you at a big disadvantage until you unload it and log back in.

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

/disgust.

Just absolute disgust.

First of all, windower was also not supposed to be used. And there is obviously something wrong with your computer because I use Vista, and can play in the offical windowed mode.

Second of all.

There is a reason that these programs are not supposed to be used. I am talking about the spell casting programs that people are using so that they don't have to use the functions in game to spell cast. Obviously that has to touch the game in some way.

And all of you who support these people for cheating are almost as bad.

Now that I have gotten so angry, I am done with this stupid forum and the cheating people in it. So much for a way of reading about ffxi while at work...

People who don't follow the rules make me angry. And obviously you aren't following the rules, creating an unfair advantage in the game. Therefore that is ruining the experience for people who do follow the rules.

[Durahansolo]

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Now that I have gotten so angry, I am done with this stupid forum and the cheating people in it. So much for a way of reading about ffxi while at work...

FFXI Is Serious Business...

I HAZ PICS TO PROOVE IT

[Rothy]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

And there is obviously something wrong with your computer because I use Vista, and can play in the offical windowed mode.

oh, I CAN play in windowed mode.. but it's so crappy that it's not worth it.

Therefore that is ruining the experience for people who do follow the rules.

How does ME using spellcast effect you? None of the plugins people use on this forum are game breaking in the slightest. We get longer macros, can alt tab into something else thats fullscreen and play in an all around superior windowed mode.

[Firewind]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Now that I have gotten so angry, I am done with this stupid forum and the cheating people in it. So much for a way of reading about ffxi while at work...

If I quit an internet forum because I read something that upset me I'd have no more internets to look at

[Andromache]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

None of the plugins people use on this forum are game breaking in the slightest.

Perhaps.

However. They are rule breaking. You know this, but still continue.

I wish I could pick and choose which rules in real life I were to follow... There's plenty of rules that if I broke them, even though they didn't hurt anyone else, I would stilll end up arrested and in jail/probation/whatever the punishment is.

That's the point. It's a lack of morality, that just because YOU THINK it doesn't hurt anyone else, it's ok.

I guess I found my biggest pet peeve in FFXI.

[ItazuraNhomango]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Excuse me? Is it not stated that you aren't supposed to use 3rd party tools? Is that not a bannable offense???

Then how am I wrong for saying that these people are cheaters for using them?????

Read what he quoted more carefully.

Actually, I'll just re-quote:

Do you read playonline.com? They state regularily (and I would have put it into quotes if there wasn't an internet filter at work...) that third party tools (hmmm.. the flee tool, that falls under this same category) wreck the environment, in ways that people don't always see, such as 1. Introducing virus's to the community, and 2. Skewing fair play, and I can't remember the other ones as of yet.

There's no evidence of that part.

There is evidence of sites like ffxiah.com, ffxi-atlas.com, and somepage.com (and ffxionline.com? I forgot...) were compromised and used as vector to spread malware (e.g. keyloggers) in the past, and those are the only "third party (to FFXI)" things I can think of which have been known do anything close to "introducing viruses to the community". But, SE probably don't consider those third party programs. *shrug*

In short, you were either making up stuff, or unthinkingly repeating stuff (dumb) people made up.

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I don't use Windower, and happen to think many of the plug-in available are "unfair". However, the issue here is earning you much flak is not whether Windower is third party program (it is), or if it's bad (argued so by some, denied by others), but whether you known what you're talking about--you don't--at least, not about the "spreading virus" stuff and few other things.

In your defense, SE has mention that's a possibility third party software can carry/be malware. However, it hasn't been proven to happen on a widespread basis, yet, in reality--it certainly isn't an everyday problem. (Unless you count bot software with built-in self-destruct code which can be remotely detonated. I suppose that probably exists, though not sure if that should be classified as malware or planned obsolescence.)

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Supposedly, it's possible to drive some stick shift cars without using the clutch, if one has the skills. For ordinary people and ordinary cars, though, using the clutch makes driving smoother (and saves much on transmission repair bill). Manual transmission cars come with clutches, with a easy to reach peddle right near your left feet for you to use, for that very reason.

Don't get angry at people who like shifting with the clutch's aid, and don't blame anyone but yourself if you keep stalling the car because you refuse to use the clutch.

Either find the skill to do without, or just use the tools SE gives you. Target arguments <stal> and <stpc> were put into FFXI by SE to help players, just like macroed gear swaps. Refusing to take advantage of either makes you silly. Refusing to take advantage of both makes you doubly silly.