What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

If it has MP and subs something that can cure, it won't kill them to help out with healing from time to time.

I'm talking about main healing here. Sure, if you have MP and are subbing a healing job and the White Mage looks like they their work cut out for them, then, sure, but this is assuming you have a White Mage in the first place.

Protip: Black Mages want to play demolition, not 3rd-in-line-hey-noone-else-is-around healers. The entire "heal or play solo" attitude of the community also speaks volumes about Black Mages' recent experience patterns as well, ironically enough.

Protip II: If somebody wanted to have to heal ever, they'd main a job that had a spell or ability that started with the letters "C-u-r."

I'm a SCH, I can nuke with the best of them, what's a BLM's excuse?

You come with White Magic!!!

And Light Arts, to boot!

You trivialize the veratility if this game when you insist that your job should only focus on one thing.

>>RDM: "Shut up and Haste me."

Should RDMs only enfeeble? PLDs only tank? DRGs only DD? SCHs only cast weather magic?

Again you put on to me a position which I have never assumed, and, in fact, repeatedly denounce myself. That is what is meant by the term "Straw Man."

Of course not, that would be STUPID. So why are you suggesting a BLM not ever cure when it ritually subs a job that allows access to cures?

I just said above, "Ohey, if you're subbing something that can heal, and the White Mage is having a bit of a hard time, helping out just a bit isn't unreasonable." What is unreasonable is to expect a job renown for blowing things up to consistently put your sorry backside back together!

Nowhere did I ever say did something subbing something that can heal to "not ever cure." What I do say is that it shouldn't become their main focus: they might as well make White Mage their main job in that case.

[Kurb]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

ppl who twist topics around for 0 reason.
My origional post focused on how ppl asked me to come to MAIN heal as a BLM/RED.

oo pplwho ask silly thins. who see you see seekking as a certain job let's say 40 ish BLM/RED and starts asking if you have whm .Which I wouldn't mind if i were a RED/BLM.
But when you tell them sorry no they ask you to come and MAIN HEAL. With 0 support

While I agreed that BLM could heal some ppl then baiscally said I said otherwise and started nit picking on my use of the red instead of rdm

K i'll admit a blm/whm can cure a /nin party.even though cure heals 30hp cure 2 heals 90.

Then somehow I'm being racist to native Americans and commies
Drama is a pain in the arse I have had enough of it in my job and my LS's.
Consider this my last post I'm sick of all this shite

[Yellow Mage]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

ppl who twist topics around for 0 reason.

Okay, after reading this, I just have to tell you either to deal with it, or welcome to an internet forum.

[Feba]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

FTFY. TGM, you forget: Black Mages.

Your point?

If WHMs can DD and tank, BLMs can heal. Shit, I've even had a couple friends talk about main healing as DRG. If a Dragoon can heal, you bet your ass you can.

[Raitox]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

People bitching about NIN and /NIN

[Feba]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

Protip: Black Mages want to play demolition, not 3rd-in-line-hey-noone-else-is-around healers.

And there's a sizable amount of Dragoons that want to be Dragon Knights, protecting their parties with a goddamn dragon at their side.

There's a lot of RDMs that want to be the best of both magic worlds, and swing a sword to boot.

What's important isn't what you want your job to be, it's what your party needs your job to be. If you can't fit that role, you can either solo or stop complaining.

[Eiyoko]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

My pet peeves with FFXI?

They've probably been said before, but here goes...

People that think Endgame is the entire game

People that want to sub ninja on EVERYTHING (I have nothing against /nin or ninjas in general, but if people turn a blind eye to everything else, they're not only missing out on a lot, but they're also being morons)

People that demand payment for helping with a mission

People that skip through cutscenes. Yes, some cutscenes may bore the crap out of you, but if you actually listened up you might know where to go next. (See this for a good example of what ends up happening...)

People that are generally rude, greedy, and/or inappropriate to everyone else and think it's fine because it's the internet

People who discriminate something with:
~a: No evidence to back their claims
~b: No experience in said area
~c: General lack of courtesy, politeness, and/or common sense

[Feba]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

People that demand payment for helping with a mission

Why not? They're providing a service, you're taking advantage of it.

Let's look at some real life comparisons:

You need to move a bunch of furniture. You almost certainly can't handle it yourself, you might be able to get some friends to help out, or you can pay movers.

You're hungry. You can either make food yourself, try to mooch off someone else, or go to a restaurant.

You're lonely. You can either ****, try to find someone on CL, or go downtown and... pick up... some legal forms. And send them to your lawmakers. Of course.

Missions are just like anything else-- someone puts in their time and effort, and most of them are going to expect something in return.

[Eiyoko]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I mean they expect me to pay them 100k gil just to help me kill a NM. Returning the favor is one thing, but I'm not going to service people's greed.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I'm talking about main healing here. Sure, if you have MP and are subbing a healing job and the White Mage looks like they their work cut out for them, then, sure, but this is assuming you have a White Mage in the first place.

A BLM can main heal though. They may refuse to do so, but if they want EXP and a PT can't find a healer, then it becomes a necessary evil. You still don't have to accept the invite, though, and if you do accept you have no right to bitch about what you're invited for.

Why not? They're providing a service, you're taking advantage of it.

Mercenary actions are cool an all in storyline and roleplay, but doing it in the context of playing the actual game just makes you a greedy asshole. Help or don't. Mercenary work is not "helping."

Its somewhat ridiculous to require payment for small things like doing avatars or getting Kazham keys. I've never accepted payment for such things.

[Feba]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

I mean they expect me to pay them 100k gil just to help me kill a NM.

Again, how is this different from any other commercial transaction?

How is it different from paying someone to kill an NM and give you the drop? Or to go out HELMing and give you what they get?

Help or don't. Mercenary work is not "helping."

Its somewhat ridiculous to require payment for small things like doing avatars or getting Kazham keys. I've never accepted payment for such things.

I've never required payment to help people move things, but I don't go screaming at movers for what they do for a living. It's how they make money.

I've never asked someone to pay me after cooking them a meal, but I don't bitch about restaurants charging for food.

I've never paid my grandmother for the clothes she makes me, but I don't see her screaming about how clothing stores are evil.

Heck; if I saw someone bleeding to death, I wouldn't charge them for my help, but you can bet your ass that the hospital would, and they kinda sorta need that.

There's no reason why FFXI missions should be considered so important that charging for them is some sort of horrible crime. If you can do it yourself? Great! Go to it. If you need help? That's fine too! And if people want to be compensated for their assistance? Compensate them, or tell them no thanks.

That's pretty much how capitalism works.

You need or want something.

Someone else can provide it.

You give them something (teh gilz), and they give you what you want (yay airship pass)

Unless you make no deals with anyone (and thus, have no gil or playermade items) you have no room to criticize. It's just how FFXI's economy works. I mean, you might have a point if SE switched Vana'diel over to communism or such, but I don't really see that as being terribly likely.

[Raydeus]

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It's sad but true, people has the right to get compensated for their time, and it's up to the one needing the assistence to decide if they are willing to pay or not.

Ideally you'd have a LS with friends that would help each other so everyone could accomplish their goals, but sadly when you don't have that you either need to find someone who needs the same quest you do or pay complete strangers to help you out.

(Which is why I don't have Joy yet not to mention my lack of time to camp the NM )

Edit > Of course there's people out there who help complete strangers from time to time without asking for any compensation, (heck I've done that myself quite a few times, but I never do merc work) but they are few and far between. Gil is your safest and fastest bet.

[Eiyoko]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

FFXI is a game, not a capitalist society.

If it was I'm sure we'd have a lot less people playing it.

Besides, there's a difference between "asking for help" and "hiring someone." I've had plenty of complete strangers help me with things, usually for no charge. Because it's HELPING. I don't mean I'm going to say "kthx" and run off. If I can help them out to return the favor (assuming they deserve it, but if they get me killed 15 times on the way or similar I'm not going to appreciate it very much), I will, but I never ask for gil and I'll never give it. Leave mercenary work to Naja Salaheem.

Only people I've met that asked for payment to "help" with missions were total jerks and RMT, and even then I refused to accept their "services."

[Raydeus]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

The point is you can't blame people for wanting compensation for helping a stranger with something. Of course there's a difference between helping and charging for a service, but both ways of doing things are valid.

It all depends on the situation. I don't do merc work, I either help or don't. But I understand why someone would want to charge for their time, specially if it's something that requires people to go waaay out of their way to help.

[Feba]

Re: What's your pet peeve in FFXI?

FFXI is a game, not a capitalist society.

FFXI is a game which contains and relies on a capitalist society.

If I can help them out to return the favor

So you, in fact, have no problem with people being capitalist in their missions, as long as it's bartering instead of currency?