visual Quality of FFO: XI

[Lu3ifer]

Re: visual Quality of FFO: XI

yes WoW looks more cartoony but XI looks more realistic thats true

but from beside that,
I know none of them have HDR (WoW have bloom, XI dont).
SM 3.0 none of them have it (WoW have 2.0 don't know if XI have 2.0 know it have 1.0 then)
what is that bout not being able to control the AA and AF in the Grapic control panel?

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its just that i know that XI is a great game but i hate to se texture faults like when you see distant stuff like mountains being choppy or trees< It is a lot a trees in XI.
and maby its a way to get the AA and AF on in the game at max.
since I can in theory have 16x AF and 8xS AA i realy want to use it.
so if any one her know if i can turn it on in Driver and it will work in game then im starting a
gan to play as quickly as posible

[Mhurron]

Re: visual Quality of FFO: XI

yes WoW looks more cartoony but XI looks more realistic thats true

but from beside that,
I know none of them have HDR (WoW have bloom, XI dont).
SM 3.0 none of them have it (WoW have 2.0 don't know if XI have 2.0 know it have 1.0 then)
what is that bout not being able to control the AA and AF in the Grapic control panel?

You can. Just that the optimal setting is not going to do anything for FFXI. The 'optimal setting' under where ever your drivers throw DirextX settings, is 'Application Controlled.' Since FFXI has no concept of AA or AF, the drivers do nothing. You can force the drivers to 2x, 4x and whatnot, but then they will do 2x or whatever all the time, everywhere for everything. Which may not be what you want, and may end up causing you to change those settings every time you go into another game.

Even then, because FFXI does not support it directly, these settings changes may not have the drastic effects you think they will. It may just end up slowing down rendering.

[Lu3ifer]

Re: visual Quality of FFO: XI

no worry im just making a profile in the driver for FFO: XI that lauches every time i use FFO: XI. but why cant i use 16AF?

im not afraid for my FPS in FFO: XI in using a 7800GT btw

[Mhurron]

Re: visual Quality of FFO: XI

no worry im just making a profile in the driver for FFO: XI that lauches every time i use FFO: XI. but why cant i use 16AF?

Because your driver doesn't like you.

im not afraid for my FPS in FFO: XI in using a 7800GT btw

You should be, FPS is hard capped at 30fps in FFXI.

[Lu3ifer]

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is there posible to uncap the 30 fps max thing? and one more thing 16xAF why do you say its max 4x?

[Mhurron]

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is there posible to uncap the 30 fps max thing? and one more thing 16xAF why do you say its max 4x?

I didn't say its max was 4 i just didn't feel like typing out every possible setting.

No you can not remove the 30fps cap.

[Lu3ifer]

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ok so i can run 16x mode on AF but even if the cap is on 30FPS that only mean im using less of my GPU than on 60-75. so the FPS wil just stay on 30 even if i raise my AF.

nice knowing that AF and AA can be changed i driver and it aplies on FFO: XI im gona star upp on FFO: XI a gain after my summer break

[Pai Pai Master]

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So, anyone wanna like, be awesome and write up a quick guide for those graphics hacks? I know absolutely nothing about .dat swapping and the like.

[Mhurron]

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ok so i can run 16x mode on AF but even if the cap is on 30FPS that only mean im using less of my GPU than on 60-75. so the FPS wil just stay on 30 even if i raise my AF.

No it means the most you will ever see is 30 fps, probably will average around 24fps over the long run and will drop to 5 when there's a whole lot going on on the screen. And the card is still doing the same amount of work as it did when you get '75' fps, which you do not really ever get. It's just trickery with numbers.

You will also get characters 'jumping' around when the game engine updates models with their real position, as opposed to where it extrapolated they would be. That is not a graphics issue though many will complain that it is.

For the sake of comparison, Full motion video under the NTSC (North American) standard (what you see on your TV and when you watch a DVD) is 24 frames a second. Anything over 24 looks to the human eye like smooth animation if its delivered at a constant framerate.

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So, anyone wanna like, be awesome and write up a quick guide for those graphics hacks? I know absolutely nothing about .dat swapping and the like.

I could have swore there is one.

[Lu3ifer]

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no 1 i know what you ment by the 30fps cap
no2 what i ment by 60-75fps was if my GPU could in theory make 60 fps at 100% load then with the cap on 30 fps im only using 50% of GPU and then I have 50% at my disposal on Grapic eye Candy

[Mhurron]

Re: visual Quality of FFO: XI

what i ment by 60-75fps was if my GPU could in theory make 60 fps at 100% load then with the cap on 30 fps im only using 50% of GPU and then I have 50% at my disposal on Grapic eye Candy

This is not true. It will be working just as hard to draw FFXI at a max of 30fps as it does when it tells you it spits out stuff at 70fps.

Oh and 70fps is nothing. GLXGears under Linux reports me currently getting 2000+ fps.

10394 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2078.792 FPS
10761 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2152.039 FPS
10351 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2070.193 FPS
10353 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2070.475 FPS
10352 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2070.252 FPS

It still stutters.

[Lu3ifer]

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stutter is usualy on Ram or poor scripting/Coding

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FPS is a mixture of how fast the game alows the game show frames and how fast the Vram can rewrite. if its no cap on the game its only the how fast the Vram can Rewrite next frame. this is why overclooking Vram often give a higher boost than overcloking the GPU

I will guess that your results from that linux tool only show how many FPS your GPU can spitt out, that is not what is in RL. you can run Rivatuner (check the graph under Vram thats real FPS that is comin out of the plug) or try Fraps if it works in FFO: XI

And if your game stutter it may be on you ram when the game uses all your ram your comp begins write on your hardisk using that as Ram and when it goes over to start writing on your HD it gives lag and thesame when it stops and start on you RAM a gaim

[Yeargdribble]

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Was this thread really to talk about you not liking the game or for you to show how much technical information you know.

You enjoyed the game for 6 months and then decided you just couldn't handle the graphics? If that matters so much for you don't come back. Stay away and drop the arguments where you spout of how much you know about improving performance. No matter what you do to adjust the performance it will never be on par with what you seem to want it to be honestly.

If you say that it looks better than WoW but it upsets you because the lack of integrated AA and AF then you're way to worried about the wrong things. So maybe you could run 4xAA... but that's not good enough because you can't run 16xAA? I don't really see what your problem is.

[Lu3ifer]

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maby you dont,

but realy i was asking in the beginning was if the grapic was overhuled in this new exp pack and Xbox360 suports, nothing more actualy. then people was beginnig to take upp and show pic and they was wondering what i did not like in the game.
But the real thing vas that i liked the game but it was a little clumsy UI and no AA AF,
And if you run that benchmak3 program and see the demo film those dragons reminds me of FF IX in the grapic way. il maby get harassed for saying this but FFX have better grapic than XI.

[Balfree]

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FFX isnt a huge infinite world having to load 200+ characters / objects / buildings / trees / mountains / rivers and seas, FFXI has caps at 30fps, also caps at 56kbp transfer rate, and there are lower graphical standarts, why? because SE wants every casual person to be able to run their game, with just a semi-good computer.

Its not only an old game, it's also a game that was made to fit most regular computer configurations.

Dont expect old games to revolutionize their standarts in graphics and anything else just because you want it, look at ultima, isnt it the oldest MMO ever? why is it still in 2d (and crappy looking too)? Because when you play a game, youre playing a game, not watching a movie, and companies know that most people like games because theyre fun, and companies will do their best to pleased most people, not everyone will be please, those that are pleased will have fun, those that arent will move on.

I think you should move on if graphics mean that much to you, even though i think FFXI is the most beautiful game ever, maybe not technically, but the artwork is stunning and makes me wet myself in joy.

AND, running the game at 2024x2024 resolution, with forced AA and AF... o boy, you can even see that galka's pubes.